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Forbidden, Sorry I was not really aware of this site previously. I know you have been a mamber of my home for several months (but you do need to post there more often ). I'll make it a habit of stopping by. I think you bring about a good point too. No matter who someone is, or how long (or briefly) they have been doing something, they may still teach us something. Lord knows, I've definately learned a thing or 2 from a newbie. Anyways, I'll ofer the insight I can fellas. Looks like a nice site here.

Steven Kephart wrote: aflaten wrote:    don't take any power especially for a pretty beefy sub, Well Richard Clark burped one with 32 kilowatts of power before the Brahma started to show audible distress.  Scottie Johnson runs 9 kilowatts per Brahma and has never blown a voice coil.  We have many people out there with huge amounts of power that don't have any problems.  Most likely your experience was with someone who didn't know what they were doing. aflaten wrote:  This guy came to our shop with a brahma 15 3 cubes tuned to 30hz I thought lets put this thing on the meter, got the meter out  he was doing 30-40hz burps with a jbl bp 1200.1 on it, that thing didn't know what to do so it just bottomed out, I don't know how anyone could like them. Are you sure you weren't hearing clipping?  The XBL^2 motor used on the Brahma let's you know if your sub is clipping much earlier than standard motor topologies.  Considering the Brahma has more linear excursion than most other subs on the market, my guess is clipping is what you heard.   aflaten wrote: Lets look at RE we took an se 10 there entry level sub put it in the wall box pluged it in and walked away we let it go in the wall for 15minutes and then unpluged it "thought it was enough torture for one day" that sub is still working to this day, with impedence drop, and tuning this sub was getting 1700 watts of wall socket a brahma can't take that for a burp. In the right enclosure, the Brahma could handle a wall outlet too.  What you do is build the enclosure so the impedance peak is at 60 Hz.  Then there might only be a couple hundred watts going into it.  Nice trick, but doesn't prove anything. Steven Kephart Adire Audio

I checked the current draw with what is called a clamp on ammeter, I know this is probably over your head, but this tool that measure things like current draw which you can calculate into how much power you are sending something in which case with impedence rise the se 10 took 1700 watts for 15minutes

           little fool........you were given a generous chance here..........Build the box so that it performs well in the worst case scenario and, in return, it will reward you at all times.

aflaten, i may not have the many years you brag to have hell im only 17 and been in car audio for a year. but i have learned a little thing called respect and i have been on this forum for the entire year that ive been in car audio and i have to say you should recognize forbidden, DYohn, and Steven Kephart they do know what they are talking about and aren't afraid to admit when they are wrong as you may be. to me this piss war just seems to have happened because either you are dense and don't know respect of you don't admit when you are wrong and are one of those people who will fight till the death rather than admit their wrong.Quad L Handyman services

I checked the current draw with what is called a clamp on ammeter, I know this is probably over your head, but this tool that measure things like current draw which you can calculate into how much power you are sending something in which case with impedence rise the se 10 took 1700 watts for 15minutes Would you mind explaining how you used the ammeter to come up with 1700 watts? Also, how did you measure the drivers specific dynamic impedance in the enclosure at this instance? All these things can be done, of course, but I am interested on how you came about your conclusions.

Ok, I was gone for the weekend and just got back in town. What the hell has happened here? I leave and when I come back all the sudden there is some new guy on here trying to rip apart all the vets. Somethings not right here. I am the first to say that I think I have went head to head with just about every top guy here on one subject or another. I wentt at it wit rob about eclipse when I started and just not that long ago I went at it with Steven about, I cant even remember anymore. Point being I went head to head with these guys and every single time they made statements and then backed them up with hard facts. I dont know who you are but so far you have been mostly bullsh*t with very little substance. I am not saying you dont know what your talking about, all im saying is that you havent proven anything to me yet. I have never used the Adire products but if I had to judge them based simply on this string of posts I would probally give them a chance. Just because you had one customer come with one sub and it sounded like sh*t in an install that you didnt even do and hence cant gaurantee that it was done properly. Everyone who has posted against you have made valid points and you havent actually produced anything that says they are wrong, all you have dont is ramble off crap. I dont have 20 years experience behind me, I only have 5 but I still know enough that the excursion numbers given along with the voice coil numbers and the dimensions of the sub prove that it cannot bottom out, its not possible. I would also like to point out that those are numbers that companies generally dont scew so they are probally legit. I understand that personal experiances can sour you on a brand name. I personally despise JL and will probally never use their products ever again. I used a few of their subs and they failed me so hence I dont trust them. Now with that being said I can also say that I am not gonna say JL is sh*t, I know better than that. When someone asks my opinion I just say I dont like them, and if someone asks why I will tell them my story but also point out that they were isolated incedents and I know people that have had JL for a long time and really like it. I dont know if you are catching what Im throwing but all im saying is disagreeing is ok and if you can prove your points that thats even better. But to come on line and rip into established members, who you obviously dont know, is just dumb. Im gonna reserve my thoughts on you until I see some more of your posts but so far you are looking like someone we could all live fine withoutdouble-secret reverse-osmosis speaker-cone-induced high-level interference distortion, Its a killer

Wow, this conversation has gotten a little out of hand, and look 5 pages already. This is exactly why I don't do brand recommendations. I would however, be glad to give a recommendation if someone would send me some free demo's of there products, a 6 4 tweet, 2 8's, 2 12's would be nice. JK.Certified Security Specialist

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Tell Darwin I sent you.

I've been sick lately, sorry I won't be on much.

Aflaten,

Next time you're at dB Drags world finals, say hi to Scottie Johnson.  He's set a few world records and has a few top-3 dB Drags World Finals finishes.  Oh yeah, he runs Brahmas.

Also, as far as an ammeter goes, you do realize that drivers are inductive, and that the peak of the current typically does not happen when the voltage peaks, meaning the real power delivered can be much lower than simple voltage times current...

Dan Wiggins

Adire Audio