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Ravendarat 
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As it was said by forrbidden, its all about the dollar. Wal Mart has single handedly put companies outta buisness because they start to do buisness with them, so the company expands there facilities to accomidate the huge increase in production, then Wal Mart turns around and drops the company and that same company is pretty much outta buisness over night. And there arent very many companies that are to big for that to happen. Like dont think for a single second that Alpine is not going to have to revamp its production to start supplying best buy. We are talking about, I believe 468 stores in USA and 18 in Canada if they plan on using BBYC. I hope this doesnt bite them in the ass.

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Well i thought I should finally get in on this one.  So I work at a walmart up here in canada.  The day we get Alpine stuff is the day hell freezes over.  If we get a new deck it takes about 2 months just too put it in the display box.  We carry, low low models of the pioneer, all the sony crap and then theres some rampage and a really low level blaupunkt.  I work at the front end and if I ever get asked about anything to do with stereos, I usually tell them to save their money and get somen decent.  I had a kid come through and buy 2 10" rampage subs, the purdy blue ones, they rang up at about 30 bucks a piece.  He couldnt say enough about them, how deep they hit, clear and loud... on and on, I had to hold in my laughter.  Sure its nice and cheap, but you get what you pay for. 

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Posted: September 28, 2004 at 10:22 AM / IP Logged  
Ravendarat wrote:

As it was said by forrbidden, its all about the dollar. Wal Mart has single handedly put companies outta buisness because they start to do buisness with them, so the company expands there facilities to accomidate the huge increase in production, then Wal Mart turns around and drops the company and that same company is pretty much outta buisness over night. And there arent very many companies that are to big for that to happen. Like dont think for a single second that Alpine is not going to have to revamp its production to start supplying best buy. We are talking about, I believe 468 stores in USA and 18 in Canada if they plan on using BBYC. I hope this doesnt bite them in the ass.

I just wanted to add to this comment about Wal-Mart and the way they do business. I know from first hand how Wal Mart works and most companies that are not world wide giants will usually benefit from Wal Mart as long as their product sells to what Wal Mart forcasts for them.

When Wal Mart comes to a company and asks them to produce a certain product from them, they forcast a sales number for the year and then expects the company to deliver 100% of this forcast every month and then demands a 5% price savings to them every year of production, otherwise no deal. Forecasts are usually 2X what the company produces in a year ! This is JUST Wal Mart, not even including what they have to produce for their regular customer's.

So the company does this and fills the initial order and if the product sells then the company has to keep filling the shelves because it is their responsibility to control inventory at Wal Mart not Wal Mart themselves. If the product doesn't sell, then Wal Mart tells the manufacturer to stop production and wait until it does. This is bad when you consider that most companies have to hire double ,sometimes triple the staff to accommodate the Wal Mart order's and then if it doesn't sell on their shelves, the company is stuck holding all the inventory they produced + what's not selling on the shelves of Wal Mart ! 

YES !! Wal Mart is so big now that they demand that inventory control and instore inventory is not their responsibility. They own none of the inventory inside the store and is completely the manufacturer's responsibility to keep shelves stocked. This is very harsh for companies that are small that have a great product to sell, but can also devestate larger companies too. In my books, Wal Mart's business philosophy will be replicated all around the world and will soon be an industry norm.

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Posted: September 28, 2004 at 10:34 AM / IP Logged  

This model (consignment inventory) is already the norm in many industries.  It will eventually drive all but the biggest companies out of business, IMO.  It's no wonder that the single largest source for Wal Mart products is the government of China (as they support and subsidize their growing manufacturing sector) and that Wal Mart imports from China represent nearly 25% of that contry's exports, and nearly 15% of the total US trade defecit.  As long as the Chinese government will subsidize potential losing propositions like a Wal Mart deal, US companies will not be able to compete.

This, along withthings like their discriminatory hiring practices, failure to pay OT and censorship of what they will and will not sell are some of the reasons I can proudly say I have never set foot inside a WalMart store.

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Iv only stepped in walmart 2 times in my life , , once to look, , and another time to buy poly fill.  Everything else i get a family hardware stores, or canadian tire becuase its owners live in my city,and they own a few family businesses around town.

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i dont think you know what you are talking about stavvy, I worked at best buy for almost two years and can guarantee that all best buys are the same.  Best buy hires people without even experience, The only reason I worked there for so long was because I was getting paid very well to be the shop senior.  Best buy's custom woodshop consists of the grinder at the end of the workbench. You can't compare Fry's, where every store has independent buyers and every bay has their own shop techniques (depends on who runs the shop). Every large company has their handful of terrible installers, a good shop depends on the sup, and the capability of their installers, but the stuff the best buy incorporates in their bay is all plug and play with no originality.  At my Fry's  they incorporate the work of a custom shop and the traffic of a  large company, they also pay me well
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As someone who's actually worked and managed a Best Buy 12v section let me be the first to say its the best place in the world to get a 99 dollar deck.
I started at 54 in Dallas and GO'ed 470 and 477 in Seattle which were two of the first Best Buy's in Seattle (Concept 4.5 and Concept 5). Let me see... my crackshot group of "audiophiles" consisted of no one who knew left from right as far as car audio. They could sell decks all day long because any knucklehead can sell a deck, don't bother with correctly done amp sub setups. Both locations had to literally hire THE WHOLE crew from Circuit City's to do installs, which like it has been said involved as much custom as you could do with a stationary grinder bolted to your plush attractive bench.
I remember when BB sold HiFonics, i was there a great Bastardization of a otherwise solid brand. Clarion... another great bastardization of an other wise solid brand. This was done through emphasis on lower end models and not carrying higher models. Ever wonder why so many people had Clarions up until about 2000? They got a cheap one from BB and like any cheap deck they broke which gave everyone "Man my/my buddy's Clarion broke every which way except for catching on fire in his Accord!"
I was a 12v Manager at CCity 1610 Roadshop and saw it go down hill when they went non commission. Alot of high end brands WILL NOT be in a non commission enviroment. Wonder why you couldn't get the full Alpine line at Circuit in 2004? They wouldn't let us carry it because it doesn't get accurate representation. Same thing with Kenwood Excelon/Pioneer Premier/Clarion Pro Audio/Directed Amplifier Brands.
I laughed because someone said that Tweeter is on the way out earlier in the post. My misguided little chumpski, you are wrong. First of all Tweeter and CarToys said to Alpine when this was all being finalized that both would drop Alpine if by having it at Best Buy we would have worse margins on it and if they carried the whole line. Which is why you will basically see what you saw at Circuit for 2004 at Best Buy in 2005. All the decks up to and possibly not even including the CDA-9831's, Type S speakers and Subs, Type E subs, V-power amps, A CVA1004, maybe maybe a IVAD300 Special Order, maybe a MRDM301 and a MRPF340. But thats it guys. No Type X, no Type R, No big V-12's, No IVAD901, None of their headrest monitors, No CDA-9835 or 9833's.
You have to remember you will never be able to change best buy's customer base. If they blue giant has gotten to you trust me it never included anyone who would consistantly buy high end alpine. You'll sell the hell out of 9827's and 9825's but then again who didn't? You won't have an Alpine rep minus once a year if even just to see that the product is out for the model year.
Alpine has and will always cater to Cartoys, Tweeter, and Ultimate Electronics becuase they have the customer base to time and time again consistantly drive higher end sells. Jesus my average ticket is 1200-1300 dollars and i'm not talking about mobile video. 1200 dollars for average ticket sales at BB 12v not including any mobile video will get you promoted to Manager and get you a district wide party. And trust me I use high end Alpine to do it. Best Buy bought Magnolia HiFi to try to add the small high end Tweeteresque element. And they have found that even though they own them and run them as separate companies they can't get the customer bases to cross.
I'm not losing any sleep of Best Buy diluting the market for Type E sub on v-power amps ran off a CDA-9825. You can't dilute that market, its gigantic. Those little chains that somehow sell a 549.99 Alpine V-12 4 Channel will always be there because Best Buy doesn't have the know how or customers to do that.
Thank You I felt so compelled to post that i signed up.
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Jt82 
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Circuit City carried Alpine for a really long time. They had just dropped the contract to bring something new into the company, hint it is going to better than Alpine. Ciruit has been taking business away from Best Buy for a while now. Best Buy has been losing money like crazy and Circuit is the new and up and coming electronics retail store. The new ad campaign will show that coming soon. They are on a 2 year plan to take control of the car audio business and they are ending the first year by taking it all back in one year instead of two. Watch out here we come.
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Jt82 
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griff01xj wrote:
As someone who's actually worked and managed a Best Buy 12v section let me be the first to say its the best place in the world to get a 99 dollar deck.
I started at 54 in Dallas and GO'ed 470 and 477 in Seattle which were two of the first Best Buy's in Seattle (Concept 4.5 and Concept 5). Let me see... my crackshot group of "audiophiles" consisted of no one who knew left from right as far as car audio. They could sell decks all day long because any knucklehead can sell a deck, don't bother with correctly done amp sub setups. Both locations had to literally hire THE WHOLE crew from Circuit City's to do installs, which like it has been said involved as much custom as you could do with a stationary grinder bolted to your plush attractive bench.
I remember when BB sold HiFonics, i was there a great Bastardization of a otherwise solid brand. Clarion... another great bastardization of an other wise solid brand. This was done through emphasis on lower end models and not carrying higher models. Ever wonder why so many people had Clarions up until about 2000? They got a cheap one from BB and like any cheap deck they broke which gave everyone "Man my/my buddy's Clarion broke every which way except for catching on fire in his Accord!"
I was a 12v Manager at CCity 1610 Roadshop and saw it go down hill when they went non commission. Alot of high end brands WILL NOT be in a non commission enviroment. Wonder why you couldn't get the full Alpine line at Circuit in 2004? They wouldn't let us carry it because it doesn't get accurate representation. Same thing with Kenwood Excelon/Pioneer Premier/Clarion Pro Audio/Directed Amplifier Brands.
I laughed because someone said that Tweeter is on the way out earlier in the post. My misguided little chumpski, you are wrong. First of all Tweeter and CarToys said to Alpine when this was all being finalized that both would drop Alpine if by having it at Best Buy we would have worse margins on it and if they carried the whole line. Which is why you will basically see what you saw at Circuit for 2004 at Best Buy in 2005. All the decks up to and possibly not even including the CDA-9831's, Type S speakers and Subs, Type E subs, V-power amps, A CVA1004, maybe maybe a IVAD300 Special Order, maybe a MRDM301 and a MRPF340. But thats it guys. No Type X, no Type R, No big V-12's, No IVAD901, None of their headrest monitors, No CDA-9835 or 9833's.
You have to remember you will never be able to change best buy's customer base. If they blue giant has gotten to you trust me it never included anyone who would consistantly buy high end alpine. You'll sell the hell out of 9827's and 9825's but then again who didn't? You won't have an Alpine rep minus once a year if even just to see that the product is out for the model year.
Alpine has and will always cater to Cartoys, Tweeter, and Ultimate Electronics becuase they have the customer base to time and time again consistantly drive higher end sells. Jesus my average ticket is 1200-1300 dollars and i'm not talking about mobile video. 1200 dollars for average ticket sales at BB 12v not including any mobile video will get you promoted to Manager and get you a district wide party. And trust me I use high end Alpine to do it. Best Buy bought Magnolia HiFi to try to add the small high end Tweeteresque element. And they have found that even though they own them and run them as separate companies they can't get the customer bases to cross.
I'm not losing any sleep of Best Buy diluting the market for Type E sub on v-power amps ran off a CDA-9825. You can't dilute that market, its gigantic. Those little chains that somehow sell a 549.99 Alpine V-12 4 Channel will always be there because Best Buy doesn't have the know how or customers to do that.
Thank You I felt so compelled to post that i signed up.
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To add to what I posted before. I would like to thank Best Buy for having our sloppy seconds with Alpine.
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