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Brand new subs, clipping?


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Posted: September 28, 2004 at 6:46 PM / IP Logged  
I am assuming your installer did this but hell, if he said they were clipping then who knows what he actually did
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Posted: September 28, 2004 at 7:40 PM / IP Logged  

Clipping = the amp has run out of gas and is producing a distorted signal that we hear as crack, snap, pop in the subs. If the amp is shutting off under load, then this is a protection circuit. Indicicated usually by an led on the amp changing color or lighting a separate led. I too would take a serious look at the one sub, it with no doubt is going to be the root cause of the problem. On a mono amp, you can have 10 subs hooked up to it and if one is bad, the rest will suffer.

If the sub is bad out of thebox that is one thing. If the amp was infact clipping and damaged the sub to the point that it is now interfering with the amp, that is another. This second side of the coin reverts back to how you use the system, how it was matched together and how it was installed.

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Posted: September 28, 2004 at 7:49 PM / IP Logged  
hey jeffchilcott, the wires may be touching the basket. i kno there not touching each other but they my be touching the bottom of the sub if anything.. but he looked at it and said the wires for fine...Oh yeah and for the record my installer is circuit city.
I guess that guy has subs.
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i've had the system for about 6 months never had a problem then i installed a 4channel amp and all of a sudden one sub blew.. a week later my other sub blew so i called kicker up and they sent me two new ones now this occurs.. So i went to circuit city and they said my left sub is clipping call up kicker and tell them to send you a new one..not u guys say its cutting out? He said my amp is fine cause when we hooked them up individual one worked fine then the other one cut at volume 46 out of 50. But for the record it also sounds like muffle sound but i was told that the way kicker subs sound.. they play good just doesnt go half way. I have the amp remote and one the 3 notch it cuts out. I e-mailed kicker and now im waiting on there reply.
I guess that guy has subs.
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also... i was driving along with it on and all of a sudden it just stops dies for about 5 mintues then all of a sudden it comes back on and works fine other then the low level's.. whats this all about?
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How is this system wired in reference to impedence and what amp are you using?
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1ohm using a 1200.1 kicker amp
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Hmmm, thats kinda strange, that amp is one ohm stable right? If it is then mabye it is still related to having a bad driver? Im kinda running out of Ideas
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yep its 1 ohm stable.
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Ok, here we go, more info. If the volume is at 46 out of 50 and the gear is shutting down, my guess is that the amp is clipping all over the map. This is more than likely coming from the cd player itself as very very few cd players have non clipping preouts. Once a signal is clipped at the source, an amp will amplify this clipped signal and pass it on to the subs. The sub will look at the signal and say wtf, you want me to play this, well OK dude, but I'm not going to like it. Then one day Mr. Sub is blown or is on the way to blowing. If it is on the way to blowing the coil can infact be making an intermittent contact or grounding out, thus shutting down the amp and sending it into protection. Once a sub is damaged it is all down hill from there. If you are on your second or 3rd set of these subs, then you have a serious design flaw in the system, it's installation and how YOU are using the system.

To understand clipping is simple. Your engine has a tachometer. You know that your engine has a redline on the tachometer. If  you go above redline you know that bad things will happen to the engine, so you saty below redline. The point of clipping on an amp or cd player is the redline, in this case it is invisible and if crossed will always end in blown speakers. Learn how to use your system, get it set up properly and or modified for the performance that you expect to see from it.

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