Alpine Type R vs Infinity Perfect

if that is even remotely true...then why do dual's jensens...lightning audio...etc...etc...flood the streets...

True but look at the people that buy it.  Kinda like the kid down the street that has a POS 1985 honda accord and thinks he can race (and hold even) with a '99 prelude or '00 trans am.  It's not going to happen.  So yeah people still buy it but I'm talking about the people that are at competitions or even normal everyday systems that are half decent.  When I first got into the car audio market I thought that JL was definately not the best b/c places like best buy and circuit city didn't carry it.  And if they didn't carry it then it must not be that good right?  Well we all know the answer to that.  I'm still not happy with the select dealers JL has in that if I want to buy a sub there is only one dealer in the city (Savannah).  And this dealer has a monopoly on the place and can charge full msrp if they want (they don't but still). 

Not really arguing either but had to hold up JL's end since noone else was (atleast against newbie adamaudio77). 

JL is not a major company (like sony, audiobahan, BOSE, ect...).  They are famous for more than one thing, but especially for the quality of equipment they put out (and sq and spl).  Like the other companies previously mentioned, they were approached.  And they denied because they are not ready for a jump like that.  Take audiobahan for example.  Five or more years ago audiobahan was a nice sub.  They had good quality equipment.  But they weren't everywhere.  Then they went big and now look.  Audiobahan is a laughing stock for almost all sound quality competitions.  Now given they were never perfect with the quality of music but they were good.  Now they are everywhere and you hear about how many fried subs and amps they have (take a look at this site for example).  I've been to many installer shops.  Most have a "graveyard" of speakers/subs/amps they've taken out and replaced.  I can't recall seeing to many JL's in there.  Lots of sonys, audiobahans, a couple of alpines, and many other knockoff brands.  JL hasn't gone big because they want to keep the quality they have.  That's why they're still expensive and most dealers are smaller shops.  They inspect their equipment before shipment and approve it before it heads out the door.

I've gotta give it to you on the install though Ravendarat.  JL spent $150,000 on that Mini.  The install was awsome, didn't win everything but I (and many others) believe it held it's ground against the others.  Look at Alpine's new car.  Tell me that thing didn't take months and a couple grand (times ten or more).

Just my $.02

BTW are you a lawyer Ravendarat?