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tloftus82 
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Posted: November 20, 2005 at 7:57 PM / IP Logged  

Guys,

I installed this CS-2016FM about a month ago and everything was working fine.  Last night I hit remote start and it turned over fine then the car just shut off and the remote quit responding.  I ended up setting off the alarm, putting in the key, and hitting the valet to get the alarm to quit going off.  Now whenever I try to remote start, the system chirps, the dash lights / stereo come on, but it doesn't try to crank.  The brain shuts down and trys again as it's designed to do if it doesn't start.  I noticed that when trying to remote start everything comes on except the blower motor for the Heater / AC system.  So tonight I pulled out my test light and when remote starting there is no power on the gray accessory wire (voltage is fine when key is in the 'on' position) and there is never a +12V signal going to the starter wire (again, starts fine with the key).  I backprobed the grey wire at the brain and there is def. no power coming from the brain when remote starting.  I checked all the power fuses and all is well.  Alarm functions just as it should, remote starting is the only problem.

This is installed in a '89 Olds Cutlass Supreme (no PATS / VATS / or any other kind of key-based security) and like I said was working fine for about a month.

Any help would be greatly appriciated.

Thanks,

Tom

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If you're not getting any power on an acc. wire that woulnd't prevent it from starting. Check all ignition wires, and that starter wire during remote start. There should be 12V on that starter wire during cranking only.
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tloftus82 
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Posted: November 20, 2005 at 8:04 PM / IP Logged  

I didn't think that would affect remote starting either, but those were the only problems I found.  No power on the Gray wire (ever), and there is no 12V signal to tell the starter to "crank".  I rechecked with a test light the other ignition wires / accessory wires and everything else powers on during remote start as it should.

Tom

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Posted: November 21, 2005 at 5:39 AM / IP Logged  
Make sure your hoodpin wire isn't grounded and check the brake pedal wire,if it see's 12v the car won't crank.These are the only things I can think of that will prevent the car from cranking.
tloftus82 
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Posted: November 21, 2005 at 7:05 AM / IP Logged  

The hoodpin switch is okay, b/c when I have the hood open the LCD remote tells me when I try to arm it.  Also, from experience, when the hood pin switch wire is grounded the car will not even attempt a start.  It will chirp but none of the electronics power on.  I'm sure the brake switch is okay, because when the car is trying to remote start, I can hit the brake pedal to get it to abort and the car to shut back down as it's designed.

Tom

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Posted: November 21, 2005 at 7:37 AM / IP Logged  
Here's a simple test to see what i s going on..... start the vehicle with the key and press the remote start button on the controller. The car should now be running off the remote starter, pull the key out of the ignition and everything should be running as it should ( except the radio if you did not power a 2nd ACC/IGN wire ).
If the vehicle is still running with all the accessories going, then you know it's not your wiring, but the CPU. Start by replacing the CPU if this happens and because it's only a couple months old, you should have any problems getting warranty for this from the store taht you bought it from.
If the vehicle stops running after you remote the key, then I would trace back all wires ( brake, hood pin, ignition wires & tach ) for problems or breaks in the wire. A good thing to do is test the power wires to ground ( continuity ) and if you get ground on it, then you have a short somewhere. If all is good & all the wires are as they should be, then you may have a bad CPU.
You also mentioned that the system doesn't put power to the ACC or to the STARTER, have you checked for a bad relay on the starter disable ( if installed ) ?
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tloftus82 
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Posted: November 21, 2005 at 8:13 AM / IP Logged  

I never thought of trying to start it while its running to see if it holds it running.  Good thought, I will give that a try after work.

I do have the starter disable relay installed - I will just swap it out since its in one of those nifty plugs.  :)  I figured it was alright since I could still start the car with the key, but I will swap since it's an easy one.

The way this thing is installed I'd hate to have a bad CPU, but I will also begin looking into warranties.

Thanks!

Tom

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Posted: November 21, 2005 at 12:11 PM / IP Logged  
Hi. There could be problem with your brake switch too. if your brake switch is faulty the brain might be sensing voltage when its not suppose too. in my saturn the brake switch was fauly so, the ground wire would still read a very small voltage even if the brake is not pressed. this caused the cruise control and remote start to function.
1998chevy1500 
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Posted: November 21, 2005 at 3:41 PM / IP Logged  
I installed a CS-something FM 2 years ago. When I first put it in it would not work for the life of me, I was getting super pissed. Called up Crimestoper and then said just to mail in the brain and the little antenna box to them with a description and they would mail me a new one back. Got the new one and it remote started fine but I had quite possibibly the worlds worst range ever. Had to hold the remote to the windshield to unlock the doors. Called them again, sent in the brain and antenna box. They sent me a new one, been working great for 2 years now. Only complanit is that I go through a set of batteries about every 3 months, and those damn N batteries are like 3.50 for a set of 2.
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1998chevy1500 
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Posted: November 21, 2005 at 3:43 PM / IP Logged  
Oh the only other problem I have had with it is that when it gets really cold out the shock sensor goes stupid and tries to go off just sitting there. I simply unplugged it and never looked back.
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