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mo12v 
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slicksam wrote:
[QUOTE=kgerry] customers will try to cut the cost anywhere possible. quoted by GMC4X4 "I know it's a cheap way of doing a bypass"  I rest my case

It's NOT the customer that cuts the cost..............

If the Shop does it the way the customer wants & ignores the the Better way of installation, then the Shop suffers.  Not only from Sales & Service, but reputation..............which in some cases means nothing to some

MO
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very true... it's the professionalism and integrity of the Installer that will determine what type of bypass the vehicle gets... NOT THE CUSTOMER!!

i would never consider doing a lesser job just to hit a price point... i tell my customers what it will cost to do it properly, and if they want to go somewhere else to get a lesser job for a lesser price, by all means do so.....

my reputation is worth more than some stranger's nickles and dimes......

Kevin Gerry
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I agree. I dont have a problem with doing the resistor bypass for PL2 systems, but only if a relay is in place. That way, if a resistor fails or the values change overtime, the car will still still start with the key. The other way, the entire operation of the car is dependant on 10 cents worth of resistors, and I am not comfortable with that.

Northstart.....or start it your damn self.
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alright.

let talk price!

How much would you charge a customer for a remote starter + doorlocks on a

1999 Chevrolet Cavalier?

I want to know also the brand of starter you install.

Testing is the key
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slicksam wrote:
alright.    let talk price!      How much would you charge a customer for a remote starter + doorlocks on a     1999 Chevrolet Cavalier?I want to know also the brand of starter you install.

Loaded Question........

Prices Installed vary from Country, State, Region, City, etc.
Brand has very little to do with how a Shop would proceed in using a Resistor ByPass  versus Data ByPass.

Especially when the Installer wnats to modify the Factory ByPass with a single Resistor and Not use a Relay.  I guess the Resistors used by those Installers are not prone to Heat or Cold and never change in value

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we sell many different brands and many different models.....    we charge $99 extra for any bypass module installed and $49 extra for keyless entry installed.....    one thing you dont seem to grasp is that it's not about price..... we charge what it would cost to do a job properly and professionally....

i'm not about how cheap i can do a job..... and you know the funny thing? we are busy as heck most days taking care of the customers who want it done properly... i do many more $699 RS installs than i do $199 installs.... you only have so many hours in a day... why step over a dollar to pick up a dime???

Kevin Gerry
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ok nevermind

whatever

Testing is the key
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First off you guys you can't do it this way. Passlock 2 uses a fluctuating resistance so 1 resistor won't do. Just go out and buy a DEI 555L and do it right!!
Gary Kline
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Fluctuating resistance? That's the first time I've ever heard of that, unless you mean it fluctuates because of heat.

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Its not just heat that causes it, most of the time people have problems in the cold, try using a 555T and see how long it works. It won't, GM should really think about not adding security systems to their cars, they don't get stolen and they're easy to steal with it.
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