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Posted: June 28, 2006 at 10:58 AM / IP Logged  

phrozt wrote:
(since you cannot edit posts here):
You have been banned for the following reason:
Being unrulely and I am tired of dealing with worthless people.
Date the ban will be lifted: 07-03-2006
Being unruly = saying that it's wrong to ban someone for discussion of an install on a wiring board.

Welcome to the 12volt.com phrozt, hope your experiences here are better than that of CA.com

Jeff
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Posted: June 28, 2006 at 11:00 AM / IP Logged  

wirewise wrote:
I just read both threads and I'm sure we can all agree that not fusing is a very unsafe practice. To think that any conduit used will provide the same level of protection as fusing is naive and dangerous. To drive a vehicle with this setup is beyond me and the defense of not living in a "what if world" is also naive. But regardless of what we think is safe, correct, smart, proper, etc., he will continue to do what he wants with his vehicle. He may not admit to it here, but I'm sure he is now more aware of the potential danger than ever before.
Personally I hope he is around years from now and that nothing bad ever happens as a result of the unsafe installation in his vehicle, but to defend it for any reason is foolish. To ignore the potential risks is only putting himself and anyone near this vehicle in danger. Just imagine the one time any one of those 0 gauge wires decides to become a light bulb, especially while he's filling up at a gas station. His insurance company will not cover the vehicle or the damage caused to any other property. Fire extinguishers will not put out the fire until the wire has completely burned through or the batteries have completely discharged (or disconnected if possible while burning) and by that time the vehicle will be completely in flames. Is the difference in sound pressure worth the loss of life or even a lifetime of misery, let alone losing what he has in the vehicle? Well maybe what he has in the vehicle if only to teach him a lesson he so adamantly defends, because after all... it's his vehicle :|
btw ngsm13, our opinions and common sense have nothing to do with being "elitists". If you are the professional you claim to be, you would agree and acknowledge that your vehicle is unsafe and that no one under any circumstances should do as you did regardless of what conduit you use, let alone refrain from name calling when your defense doesn't hold water.
On another note, the first part of learning is admitting you don't know it all and I can't think of anyone on this forum that does know it all.
phrozt, you will be able to edit your posts when you become a standard member. btw, welcome to the12volt.com :)
~wirewise~

Very well put wirewise.... you are wire wise

Jeff
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Posted: June 28, 2006 at 11:41 AM / IP Logged  
Velocity Motors wrote:

phrozt wrote:
(since you cannot edit posts here):
You have been banned for the following reason:
Being unrulely and I am tired of dealing with worthless people.
Date the ban will be lifted: 07-03-2006
Being unruly = saying that it's wrong to ban someone for discussion of an install on a wiring board.

Welcome to the 12volt.com phrozt, hope your experiences here are better than that of CA.com

It's really a shame.. because I enjoy the fact that there are specific forums for every part of car audio, and it moves at a nice pace... but what are you supposed to do when the moderators pretty much PREVENT discussion?

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Posted: June 28, 2006 at 12:11 PM / IP Logged  
Great post wirewise. Where have you been? I've been on this sight for about 2 years and don't remember reading any of your posts.
There is no such thing as free installation!
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Posted: June 28, 2006 at 12:16 PM / IP Logged  
Thanks. I linger in the background most of the time, but every once in a while I come up for air ;p
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Or maybe to put out fires! lol
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Posted: June 28, 2006 at 12:43 PM / IP Logged  
Being an installer for over 22 years and a firefighter for over 18 years, I feel I'm qualified to chirp in. Never run any wire in a car w/o proper fusing near the power source. I've had to extinguish 2 auto fires because some person decided they didn't want to spend 12-18 dollars for a fuse and holder. Luckily no injuries although both vehicles were occupied at the time of the blaze. Even running a switched power wire for the remote turn on can cause major damage without proper fusing. It doesn't do much for your ego when a firefighter does the investigation and determines that someones cheap stupidity made us hit the road in an emergency. And you losing your car to a fire. Russ.
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Posted: June 28, 2006 at 1:11 PM / IP Logged  

I have read all the  posts and I can't resist throwing my 2 cents in, 1st wirewise you hit it dead on. 2nd it is absolutley amazing how many "professional installers" don't know crap and preach poor advice. 3rd its insane how many people actually believe what these guys say. 

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Posted: July 04, 2006 at 4:45 AM / IP Logged  

Thought I'd chip in that you'd might find interesting...

I was working for LA County Fire under contract a few years for a while to do vehicle conversions to F250 Squads, Utility, and other related vehicles.  Some of them include an odd assortment of vehicles that deviate from the regular Ford trucks.  My job was to install the warning lights & sirens as well as the occasional tow winches, 12v scene lighting, etc.  Anyway,...

One day, an unnamed official came to me with an assignment to install a Dozer tender which is basically a equipment support repair truck that goes wherever those hugh Fire Dozers goes.  He said to run the power direct to the battery because it worked in the older truck and it was specifically requested by the crew.  I told him respectfully that it was a very unsafe thing to do.  After he insisted and left, I started to line up another contract job and was ready to pack my tools because I was sure he would let me go for refusing his orders.  Two days later, he came to me to take a look at this truck that caught fire in the engine compartment.  Lo and behold, there was a perfect example I wanted from the previous installer... there was no breaker and I had this official take a look at it and after explaining precisely what happened to the cause of the fire, he reversed himself subtly.  It turned out to be a loose grommet that chafed the wire thru the firewall. 

Sometimes it just had to be in their face for them to get the idea isn't it?

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Posted: July 04, 2006 at 11:28 PM / IP Logged  

LMAO, I'm only 20 (another 16 days and I'll be 21......and than the rest of my brain cells with die)and still learning about systems. But ****ing common sense tells you to use in line fuses.

Should we make bets on when his car burns to the ground, lol!?!

Anyways, I looked the pic he posted of his car. I only seen one amp in that thing, even if he had more, theres no reason to run four 0G wires! If hes a pro at this stuff, why is his system all boot legged? I used a hot glue gun and a big piece of carpet, in my trunk, and it looks like it came from the factory that way.

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