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Velocity Motors 
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Posted: June 27, 2006 at 10:30 PM / IP Logged  
forbidden wrote:

Yah, my bad and I apologize to him as well. Like I said, I am a championship smart *** and tell it like it is sometimes. I earned and can take the ban, no big deal.

I'll vouche for Rob on this............ Yor number 1 in my books Rob Vehicle Fire, Poor Stereo Install - Page 5 -- posted image.

Jeff
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Morden, Manitoba CANADA
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Location: Michigan, Bouvet Island
Posted: June 27, 2006 at 10:59 PM / IP Logged  
It's a crap forum anyway, with people that don't know you fuse power cables! Number one, single most basic rule of ANY power line... over-current protection is PARAMOUNT! This guy probably replaces blown fuses in his house with pennies, and believes he is still safe, because the wires are run in conduit! (Some of us older members still remember the "screw-in" types of house fuses...)
All I can say (and I do this without reservation) is the guy is an idiot. Let him burn his car to the ground if he wants, but he'll NEVER touch mine... and I don't go to sound-offs of any sort, so that portion of "public safety" is a moot point for me... Yes, he makes the industry look (a little) bad, but it is then up to the real installers, the PROPER installers, of the world to be even MORE responsible to carry the load of dumb-asses like this. Call it teamwork. There are weak members on every team, but the better members of the team make certain the team performs as it should.
It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
ngsm13 
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Posted: June 28, 2006 at 12:14 AM / IP Logged  
dragon51 wrote:

How friggin stupid, you should not be allowed to enter the lanes with out the proper fuese protection at any event! That endangers's everone who is watching the event, should it go up in smoke, why dose it take someone getting hurt befor they make those types of changes.

And that kid call's says he's a pro installer (ummm bullshs) That is why I did my own work

Feel free to stop by Cincinnati, OH anytime. Head to head +12v challenge?
I take the industry standard precautions on all customers vehicles. My personal, project vehicle, is an exception.
tcss wrote:
29 years, over 42,000 cars done. You NEVER run power leads without a fuse, PERIOD. And to our new member from the other forum, I still learn things everyday on this forum and one of the most knowledgable guys is Rob at Forbidden so mind your manners. I read the thread on your forum and seems like insulting people happens much more then exchanging ideas. This place is a tool just like any other one in your box, it saves you time and money. Use it wisely.
It's the largest and most frequented caraudio forum, simple because of it's name. It is populated with quite a few immature people. Oh well, moderating it is a task.
haemphyst wrote:
It's a crap forum anyway, with people that don't know you fuse power cables! Number one, single most basic rule of ANY power line... over-current protection is PARAMOUNT! This guy probably replaces blown fuses in his house with pennies, and believes he is still safe, because the wires are run in conduit! (Some of us older members still remember the "screw-in" types of house fuses...)
All I can say (and I do this without reservation) is the guy is an idiot. Let him burn his car to the ground if he wants, but he'll NEVER touch mine... and I don't go to sound-offs of any sort, so that portion of "public safety" is a moot point for me... Yes, he makes the industry look (a little) bad, but it is then up to the real installers, the PROPER installers, of the world to be even MORE responsible to carry the load of dumb-asses like this. Call it teamwork. There are weak members on every team, but the better members of the team make certain the team performs as it should.
I don't want to touch any vehicle that belongs to an Elitist p***k anyway. Get over yourself. If you don't like my precautions, cool... you said so. Leave it at that. It's my personal project vehicle, drop it.
Vehicle Fire, Poor Stereo Install - Page 5 -- posted image.
nG
I use fuses sparingly.
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Posted: June 28, 2006 at 1:28 AM / IP Logged  
Lol my old house has the old school screw type fuses...There is this one fuse for the bathroom that would blow everytime you used a hairdryer with both lights on...Those fuses are major pains in the rear.
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Posted: June 28, 2006 at 4:43 AM / IP Logged  
wow this is a hot thread. pun intended.
Big Dave
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Posted: June 28, 2006 at 8:29 AM / IP Logged  
ngsm13 wrote:
I don't want to touch any vehicle that belongs to an Elitist p***k anyway. Get over yourself. If you don't like my precautions, cool... you said so. Leave it at that. It's my personal project vehicle, drop it.
I never knew I was an elitist... cool. Dude, I drive a Civic... How's that elitist? Was also unaware I had something in myself to get over. (Ain't I the humblest guy here, here at the12volt? Vehicle Fire, Poor Stereo Install - Page 5 -- posted image.) All I said was your choice to bypass protection standards was a bad choice.
I have had many "personal project vehicles" in my day, yet I still over-current protected the power leads. It just makes sense. It is your personal project vehicle, and I don't like your LACK of precautions, I just hope you're in good with your insurance company, and I hope you don't live in California, where, when your car burns to the ground, (and all the other people who's cars burn to the ground due to improper or completely missing over-current protection) my insurance rates go up. My rates are high enough already, thank you... Consider it dropped.
aznboi3644 wrote:
Lol my old house has the old school screw type fuses...There is this one fuse for the bathroom that would blow everytime you used a hairdryer with both lights on...Those fuses are major pains in the rear.
Ya know, you can put a penny under those when they blow, and bypass the safety of them! Sure, it's a guaranteed way to burn your car (I mean, house) to the ground, but it'll never blow again! BWAHAHAHAHA
(THAT, BY THE WAY, WAS A JOKE!!!!! DO NOT DO IT!!!!!)
It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
phrozt 
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Posted: June 28, 2006 at 10:10 AM / IP Logged  
I wouldn't discount CA.com based off this one incident.. there's a lot of really good info on there.
I do, however, disagree w/how ng dealt w/the situation.. and voiced my opinion.. and I'll prolly be banned on CA for doing it.
Oh well. Either way, I'd advise to take this incident w/a grain of salt and realize there *is* actually a lot of good info and discussion on the board.
phrozt 
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Posted: June 28, 2006 at 10:27 AM / IP Logged  
well, nevermind that.. looks like I'll be on this forum now, because I'm being banned on that one for saying it was wrong for him to be banned for discussion.
Basically, if you don't agree w/everything a mod there says, you're wrong, and you're banned.
phrozt 
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Posted: June 28, 2006 at 10:29 AM / IP Logged  
(since you cannot edit posts here):
You have been banned for the following reason:
Being unrulely and I am tired of dealing with worthless people.
Date the ban will be lifted: 07-03-2006
Being unruly = saying that it's wrong to ban someone for discussion of an install on a wiring board.
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Posted: June 28, 2006 at 10:51 AM / IP Logged  
I just read both threads and I'm sure we can all agree that not fusing is a very unsafe practice. To think that any conduit used will provide the same level of protection as fusing is naive and dangerous. To drive a vehicle with this setup is beyond me and the defense of not living in a "what if world" is also naive. But regardless of what we think is safe, correct, smart, proper, etc., he will continue to do what he wants with his vehicle. He may not admit to it here, but I'm sure he is now more aware of the potential danger than ever before.
Personally I hope he is around years from now and that nothing bad ever happens as a result of the unsafe installation in his vehicle, but to defend it for any reason is foolish. To ignore the potential risks is only putting himself and anyone near this vehicle in danger. Just imagine the one time any one of those 0 gauge wires decides to become a light bulb, especially while he's filling up at a gas station. His insurance company will not cover the vehicle or the damage caused to any other property. Fire extinguishers will not put out the fire until the wire has completely burned through or the batteries have completely discharged (or disconnected if possible while burning) and by that time the vehicle will be completely in flames. Is the difference in sound pressure worth the loss of life or even a lifetime of misery, let alone losing what he has in the vehicle? Well maybe what he has in the vehicle if only to teach him a lesson he so adamantly defends, because after all... it's his vehicle :|
btw ngsm13, our opinions and common sense have nothing to do with being "elitists". If you are the professional you claim to be, you would agree and acknowledge that your vehicle is unsafe and that no one under any circumstances should do as you did regardless of what conduit you use, let alone refrain from name calling when your defense doesn't hold water.
On another note, the first part of learning is admitting you don't know it all and I can't think of anyone on this forum that does know it all.
phrozt, you will be able to edit your posts when you become a standard member. btw, welcome to the12volt.com :)
~wirewise~
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