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dark02 
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Posted: August 09, 2006 at 5:47 PM / IP Logged  
like most i see. how come it is that if you know how to do it one way then that way is always the right way? just wondering how many of you have tryed this? dont dought it till you try it. and im not talking about huge boxes. im talking about small like 6-9 or 10" single boxes. and no the glue will not melt the foam ( thanks killer ). also here i can get a gallon of glue for less than $5.00. and with the glue when it has dryed all you have to do is scuff prime and paint. no bodyfiller no hours of sanding. this way you can have it done in less than a full day. with glass resin it would take up to 3-4 days to do it right. i guess i was wrong for posting this as i was only trying to help out with the other ideas part to fiberglassing. i thought that maybe a few people here would like the idea and understant that resin and fiberglass is not the only way to do it right. i always thought the right way was the way that works for you. i have used glue on boxes many times and never had any problems with it. anyway i guess thats what i get for trying to help. l8er
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sawhit4 
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how long would it take a 1/4 inch of elmers glue to dry?  Most of the posters here aren't trying to knock you, it just comes off as pretty impractical. 
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Posted: August 11, 2006 at 9:01 AM / IP Logged  
dark02, another point that I wanted to bring up is how will the glue adhere to vertical planes on enclosures that are located on the sides of trunks ? The glue's consistentcy is too thin to allow it to dry without having running streaks on it. At this point you will need to sand down dried glue & end up having to have to use body filler.
Your technique is something that is not flawed, rather it is isolated to a few projects that can support the technique. Instead of learning to do it " the right way " ( or should I rephrase that and say " an alternative method" ) you went about it another way, but with the alternative method you have an infinite amount of projects that can be accomplished. Honing your skills with the alternative method as many installers here have done, you can create many more intricate ideas into reality and can cut time and costs down alot if done correctly.
In my world, saving a couple of dollars over saving a couple of hours is not an option.My time is worth more that the raw materials that go into a sub enclosure hands down & using a techinique that will cause more time for drying, sanding or otherwise is a method that IMO is flawed for many ( not all ) types of projects regardless of if I've tried it or not.
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Do you have any problems with the glue melting in the sun while in the car?
modena0 
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Posted: August 11, 2006 at 12:49 PM / IP Logged  

sawhit4 wrote:
how long would it take a 1/4 inch of elmers glue to dry?  Most of the posters here aren't trying to knock you, it just comes off as pretty impractical. 

I concur....

But at any rate, like Velocity said, time is of the essence, especially when  you are being paid. If consistency is big, there are many ways to change the consistency of resin-based products (fillers etc.) to make it easier to spread and/or self leveling. You can use anything from heavy filler (thick) to MEK thinned resin (i wouldnt thin it too much though) to make your finished surface, and chances are it will be a hell of a lot stronger than glue. Resin is used because it is relatively solid, and very rigid. heat wont make it soften. And i'll admit i have never tried the glue method, but i dont see glue as being a solid, stationary material. There are just so many different options that are resin based and tough, that using something soft like elmers glue doesnt seem like it would be the most time-effective approach.

In my last project, i used all sorts of filler/resin mixtures for different applications. One of my magic mixes was pretty much the consistency of high build primer, and it took little sanding to complete. im not knocking your methods, but when i think of something thats going in a moving vehicle, i tend to lean more on the side of rigidity and solid adhesion.

So do whatever works for you, we're not insulting you here, just trying to give you some perspective from our own experiences.

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Yea, and I once chewed a whole pack of gum and used it to stop the rattles in my door panels, but that does not make it a legitimate method for stopping rattles. 

Juicy Fruit works better than Big Red, by the way.  alt. to resin 4 smooth glass look - Page 2 -- posted image.

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Posted: August 12, 2006 at 2:29 PM / IP Logged  
DYohn wrote:

Yea, and I once chewed a whole pack of gum and used it to stop the rattles in my door panels, but that does not make it a legitimate method for stopping rattles.

Juicy Fruit works better than Big Red, by the way. alt. to resin 4 smooth glass look - Page 2 -- posted image.

So bad !!! alt. to resin 4 smooth glass look - Page 2 -- posted image.
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Aruman 
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I stay with fiberglass, thanks
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Posted: August 13, 2006 at 6:06 PM / IP Logged  
DYohn wrote:

Yea, and I once chewed a whole pack of gum and used it to stop the rattles in my door panels, but that does not make it a legitimate method for stopping rattles.

Juicy Fruit works better than Big Red, by the way. alt. to resin 4 smooth glass look - Page 2 -- posted image.

LOL, you are wrong for that, lol
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fosgate152ohm 
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Posted: August 13, 2006 at 11:25 PM / IP Logged  
hell, i just say go to wally world , get a 8 dollor can of raddle can bed liner and be done with it . if done right its quick easy and looks pretty good in the end.  the only prob is you better like the colors black and white cause thats all i think it comes in. lol
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