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have you tried turning the subs low pass up to 80Hz and see how that sounds??
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aznboi3644 wrote:
have you tried turning the subs low pass up to 80Hz and see how that sounds??

I have, actually. The sub/PR is 'tuned' to about 40Hz, anything above that doesn't sound too great. I mean, it's there and all, but when I do that, it's like it is trying to reproduce too much, so it doesn't go as low as I like. That's why I'd like to add a dedicated 40-80Hz sub.

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OK I'm coffused here. The port is at 40 Hz and you say it dosen't sound good above that? Bolow the tuning frequincy the speaker is basicaly at zero resistance box wise and running as if it were infanate baffle...please correct me if I'm wrong on my therory here. Does your woofer have a lot of movement when you are playing it? Dose the speaker move less when playing matterial above 40 Hz?

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Its a woofer and PR (passive radiator) setup, sealed box. The PR is tuned to about 30Hz.

The PR moves more at lower freqs', the woofer at higher ones.

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I lowered the h/p to 80Hz and upped the l/p to 80Hz. It sounds better from the h/p speakers but I think I need some bass speakers, the subwoofer doesn't seem to like high bass frequencies.
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Are you sure that you are not actually adjusting a subsonic filter? Something here is not adding up. Adding a second sub to your system with a discrete pass band and location in the vehicle at that low of a frequency is setting your self up for disaster due to differences in phase characteristics between the two sub systems. It will take a lot of testing and processing power to get a system like that functional.
Your sub will hit just as low and loud when crossed over at 35hz as it will at 70hz. The only thing that comes to mind is that you might have a horrendous peak around 60hz due to your vehicles transfer function. What type of vehicle is this? How do you have your sub box oriented in the vehicle?
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I think my car peaks at about 60Hz, actually. It is pretty bad. It's hard for me to get a flat response down to 20Hz. '95 Cavalier 2dr.

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That's a sheet of 1/2" plexi. It keeps the trunk lid from sounding like crap. I actually think it helped with low-end performance.

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jmelton86 wrote:
the subwoofer doesn't seem to like high bass frequencies.

in what way does it not like the higher bass.

As you move closer the th P/R tuning frequency the P/R will do more work and the powered woffer will do less. But below the tuning frequency say two octives it become unstable. 30 Hz is one octive down now so I'm curious which woofer is doing the work?

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jmelton86 wrote:
I lowered the h/p to 80Hz and upped the l/p to 80Hz. It sounds better from the h/p speakers but I think I need some bass speakers, the subwoofer doesn't seem to like high bass frequencies.

80Hz is not "high bass."  80Hz is a subwoofer frequency and setting your LP for the sub and HP for your mains at 80Hz is the preferred setup for most applications.  Depending on the woofer you have in a PR alignment it should "like" anything from 400Hz or so down.   I humbly suggest you get your vehicle to a professional shop and pay to have it metered and to have your crossovers properly set for you as it's obvious we are not helping you here.

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DYohn wrote:
80Hz is not "high bass."  80Hz is a subwoofer frequency and setting your LP for the sub and HP for your mains at 80Hz is the preferred setup for most applications.  Depending on the woofer you have in a PR alignment it should "like" anything from 400Hz or so down.   I humbly suggest you get your vehicle to a professional shop and pay to have it metered and to have your crossovers properly set for you as it's obvious we are not helping you here.

Something is deffinately not adding up here. DYohn is right the crossover setting 80/80 or even 100/100 are  very typical and should be working for you. So it is possibly time for a second set of eyes to look things over.

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