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wigs1l 
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Posted: November 06, 2009 at 12:29 AM / IP Logged  
Hi there, new to the site.
I'm from the uk and have a Ford Mondeo 2003.
I'm looking for a way to make my indicators flash once when i unlock via remote, which they don't do currently.
I know from a friend who has a 2004 model that his does, and from other forums, this feature was added on later models, but after the build date of my car.
I would be looking to take the pulse from the alarm module to the door lock actuator or the courtesy lights circuit, or anywhere esle you can think of!
Can anyone please advise how to do this, via a relay, or any other suggestions??
howie ll 
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Look above the throttle pedal there's a black plastic box with multiple plugs of different colours. Called the GEM box. The simplest way is to find the unlock motor wire which is probably white or WHITE/ black. Open the driver's door then throw the latch on the door lock (back end of door). Use the locking push in the inner handle to make sure the locks work, i.e. lock and unlock and you are ready to go. Take a DMM* and set it to 20VDC. Place the black probe to a good ground (earth)and the red side to to one of those wires. when you push the handle or use the remote fob to unlock, one of those wires will read 12v+.  That's the one you want. Also on that box are a plain blue and a blue/red wire adjacent to each other. These are your indicator wires. Again use a DMM the same way to test. Once you've ascertained this, connect the  unlock motor wire to relay 86,  earth to 85, constant 12v+ (probably a ORANGE / colour) adjacent to the indicators, again test) to 30 and from 87 split via 2 x 2N5404 diodes, bands away from relay to your blue and blue red indicator wires.

You can make this more sophisticated with an ignition control relay such that it only works when ignition is off; take a feed from an ignition circuit (should be GREEN/ YELLOW in the ignition loom) to a second relay 86, ground to 85, then take the 87 wire from the first relay, bring it to 30 and out from 87a.

* You can do all this with a test light but it's not advisable because I know what I'm doing here, I wrote the play book for Clifford on this car and you might feed 12V to the wrong wire and blow the box. You could also conceivably do this without the first relay, just diodes but it's inadvisable long term.

wigs1l 
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Posted: November 06, 2009 at 1:30 AM / IP Logged  
Excellent. You've explained very clearly, thanks for the quick reply.
Where exactly can i take the earth from?
wigs1l 
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Posted: November 06, 2009 at 2:09 AM / IP Logged  
and from 87 split via 2 x 2N5404 diodes, bands away from relay to your blue and blue red indicator wires
could you expand a little on this for me please?
Sorry for being a pain, but its not something i'm familiar with, so please excuse my ignorance!
howie ll 
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Take down the lower dash and the right hand kick panel, there should be cables grounded via bolts. Any of them. As for the diodes, I meant 1N5404. I've been duly told off.   Take 1 wire from 87, make a "Y" joint and place each diode in line, then out to each indicator wire.
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Thank you sir, very helpful. Will let you know how i get on!
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Posted: November 08, 2009 at 6:48 AM / IP Logged  
HI there...again!
I have a Haynes manual for my car with wiring diagrams of the indicators, please see HERE, and have a couple of questions as I have been studying the diagrams and need to know if I'm on the right track! (Note that the GEM is box 8 on the diagram)
I have built the relay but had to go slightly different, I have made it with 4 wires coming from 87, I haven't installed yet.
Can I have pin 87 of relay split into 4 with two "Y" joints with 4 diodes,to tap into the 4 indicator wires (2 blue+2 blue/red) coming from the GEM??
OR
Can I have pin 87 of relay split into 2 with your "Y" joint and diodes, to tap into the 2 BLACK/ green wires coming from box 31 on the diagram going into the GEM??
OR
Can I just leave pin 87 as one wire to tap into the single BLACK/ orange wire coming from box 32, which is the hazard switch wire going into the GEM?
The reason I'm asking is because I want to cut down on the amount of wires I need to tap into, so which of the above situations would work best for me?
Thanks for taking the time to read through, I understand if you're getting slightly bored with this topic now, I do ramble on a bit!
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Posted: November 08, 2009 at 7:49 AM / IP Logged  
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wigs1l 
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indicator flash on unlock solution -- posted image.
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Posted: November 08, 2009 at 10:25 AM / IP Logged  
Does that black /orange flash the indicators for as long as it's grounded? If so just do the following take the lock wire, either yellow, white black or yellow/black from the GEM box, one is unlock, one is deadlock, the third will be unlock. Take your feed to relay 86, ground 30 and 85, feed 87 to the BLACK/ orange, job done. You wont need diodes.
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