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cpgoose 
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Posted: July 29, 2002 at 7:24 PM / IP Logged  

hola,

Ok, I had this problem about 6 months ago, and couldn't solve it.
Now that I've found this site, I think I'll try again:)
My girlfriend has a '97 Civic. It has a Checkmate alarm (Model KD70S PC)
with keyless entry. I bought her a Bulldog add-on remote start (RS-82)
to add to the 3rd channel.
I installed it, and remotely started it and the alarm went off. D'oh #1.
So, I disarmed it first, and then started it. Good! But then the doors auto-lock,
and the keyless entry doesn't work anymore because the car is running. So, you have
to use the key, which stinks. D'oh #2.
I finally got a hold of the Checkmate company, who gave me schematics for the alarm,
and told me how to hook it up to the remote starter so the alarm would still be armed,
and the keyless entry would still work when the car was remotely started. So...after
I hooked up the wires, you could remotely start it and then use the keyless entry to
enter the vehicle, but the then alarm was still armed. So, if you messed with anything
(like the windows) the alarm would chirp. So in other words, the alarm didn't know the
car was running. D'oh #3. So I put it back the way it was (have to use the key).
Here's the schematics:
Here's the link to Diagram A of the Checkmate Alarm:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid27/pfd6ed75a6bed6888c2abe660276adec9/fd781cc7.jpg

Here's the link to Diagram B of the Checkmate Alarm:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid27/pb5d5f80a714574557e9338c2bdb5ada3/fd789e96.gif.orig.gif
Here's a link to a small diagram of the Remote Starter:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid27/pe5ee8b948c71e06b172133619cc49841/fd789d31.gif.orig.gif

The guy from Checkmate said to hook up the yellow/black (ign input) wire of the

remote starter to the yellow wire of the alarm. That's what gave me the problemo.
So now that I've been reading posts on this site, I think I (obviously) hooked up
the remote start to the wrong side of the starter kill relay. (I didn't know it
even had it until now). So....if I hook up the remote start wire to the starter
side of the starter kill relay, I'm thinking the car can be remotely started
without disarming it? But now I'm confused if I do this, will I still have use
of the keyless entry? Will the car be armed when remotely started until I use
the keyless entry to enter? Ahh, the questions....
Any input would be great!!! Sorry this was so long.

cpgoose 
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Posted: July 30, 2002 at 9:22 AM / IP Logged  

Sorry I forgot to say what I would like it to eventually do:

I would like to be able to remotely start the car (without having

to disarm it first) and have the car stay armed while running (remotely running).
Then, I would still like to be able to walk up to it and use the
keyless entry to enter the vehicle (which I hope should disarm the
car as well so it's not armed while it's being driven).

Any ideas?  Thanks!

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Posted: July 31, 2002 at 3:22 AM / IP Logged  

If you go back to D'oh #2 it seems the remote start and keyless entry were working fine but you were given another problem in that when you utilized your windows up/down feature it would cause your alarm to chirp. It seems you have a shock or radar sensor that is being triggered and causing you alarm to chirp. I am not to familiar with Bulldog, but , does that unit have a wire labeled shunt or two wires that might be called sensor bypass. If so, they need to be utilized. If not, there should be at leaset one wire that the Bulldog puts a ground out while activated. That wire could using diodes and or relays, bypass all your sensors and ignition wires to allow for proper operation.

I'm Don.I can answer all your security questions. I have 12 years in the industry.
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Posted: July 31, 2002 at 9:51 AM / IP Logged  

Hmmm, I'm not sure if the Bulldog unit (the remote starter) has a shunt, or sensor bypass that you spoke of...I don't think it does.

It has a factory alarm shut down wire, but I don't think that's what you mean.

Plus, it's not a factory alarm.  Anywho, this a link to the manual for the
remote start if that would help.

http://www.bulldogsecurity.com/pdf/ModelsRS82_85.pdf

Plus, it was more than just the windows, it was everything because the car

was still in armed mode.  If I banged on the dash it did the same thing.

Thanks.

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Posted: July 31, 2002 at 10:54 AM / IP Logged  

Good! But then the doors auto-lock,

and the keyless entry doesn't work anymore because the car is running

  • On the alarm wiring diagram, cut the IGNITION input wire from the harness. This will no longer tell the alrm that the car is on and you can arm while the car is running. Do not cut if you require the toggling of the ignition for programming rather place a toggle switch for this connection and toggle off when programming is done and leave it after this in OFF position until you need to program again

I installed it, and remotely started it and the alarm went off. D'oh #1.

So, I disarmed it first, and then started it.

  • See if there is a IMPACT DISABLE wire coming from the alarm system that you can ground out when running. If not then you will have to lower your impact sensitivity to accomodate the vibrations of the car when remote started.

The above will be allow you to remtoe start the vehicle, arm and disarm while running, have keyless entry and also have other functions like trunk pop and window controls.

Jeff
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QUOTE:  "The above will be allow you to remtoe start the vehicle, arm and disarm while running, have keyless entry and also have other functions like trunk pop and window controls."

Is it possible to have everything you said, except for allowing the car to be armed while running?

When the Checkmate tech told me to connect the yellow of the alarm (ignition) to the yellow/black

of the remote starter (ign input), that did the same thing that you said...that will no longer
tell the alarm that the car is running.  That is the problem, though, I would rather not have the
car arm while running.  Is this still possible?

I'm thinking in a way it isn't since the keyless entry also controls the arm/disarm.  I guess I'm just

trying to get it a like say a viper 550esp would act, where you can remotely start the car and it will
stay armed until you unlock (disarm) the doors.  Then you can drive without it being armed.

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Posted: July 31, 2002 at 12:18 PM / IP Logged  

Re-connect the ignition wire from the Checkmate alarm. This is the wire that lets the alarm system know that the user is in the car and that the car is in use. What you may have to di is have two remote controls that will allow you to arm/disarm the alarm and one for keyless entry alone..... unless you have another spare AUX channel that you can run the door lock/unlock system on and use the arm/disarm of the alrm on the original channels ? Did I loose you ??Add-on remote start to existing alarm problems -- posted image.

Jeff
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cpgoose 
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Yea, I didn't think this would be easy.  I guess the 2 devices just conflict too much.

I did reconnect that ignition wire, we didn't like the way it acted disconnected.

Yea, there's 2 other channels on the remote control.  Channel 2, though, I hooked up to
the remote start Aux Channel, so she could just use one remote.  And on channel 3 I hooked
up the trunk release.  But in theory (say I didn't have the trunk pop), I could split the
lock/unlock from the arm/disarm?  Interesting...

If I attach the remote starter wire to the motor side of the starter kill relay,

will that do anything?  I guess it would start the car without the alarm going off,
but I don't know what else it would do.

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Posted: July 31, 2002 at 12:59 PM / IP Logged  

Isn't the remote starter wire a (-) output ? It won't do anything to the starter because the starter needs 12 volts and about 30 - 50 amp draw when starting ( Honda's are less ).

Jeff
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I think what I meant by the "remote start wire" is the starter/crank (yellow/black) wire from the remote starter to the BLACK/ white starter wire in the car.

I thought my whole problem was that I had it connected before the starter kill, and I thought I could fix it by connecting it after the relay, but I think it's (obviously)

more involved than that.

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