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i saw this page and how to make your car remote start
what i want to know what is the operating instructions on using this step by step from starting the car to turning it off
also it says to accessory 1 and 2 does that mean? the accessory wires on the car alarm? (im confused from the acc wire which supplys 12v at start up)
and lastly is says to vehicle side ignition 1 and yo key side ignition one im assuming that i have to cut the wire to ignition and attach those wires there?
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https://www.the12volt.com/relays/page5.asp#remst

Some vehicles require that 2 accessory wires go positive to allow Air Conditioner and defrost functions become active when remote started.  If your vehicle only has one Acc wire, leave the second one open.  Yes you will have to cut the ignition wire. 

The unit requires a ground pulse to disengage.  I would HIGHLY recomend that you use an 11th relay that will convert the foot brake positive output to a negative for this function.  This will kill the motor if someone gets in it and tries to put it in gear to drive off. 

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so to use it you have to switch on the the engage wire and as soon as it starts switch on the disenegage wire and now the car is running
Or Is it... yOu switch on the the engage wire and now the car is running and to turn off the car you switch on the disengage wire?
Also the accessory wires are 12v + once the relays have been switched on (it gives out electricity rather than take it)
Also i dont understand your footbrake safty feature
And on the relay page it says the diodes are not pictured where wouls i place them
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On any Store Bought Remote Start unit, there is a safety feature that kills the engine if the brake pedal is pressed before the key is turned on.  This prevents a possible thief from putting the vehicle in gear.   yOu switch on the the engage wire and now the car is running and to turn off the car you switch on the disengage wire. When the unit starts the car, there is power on the ignition wire and both accessory wires. 

You will have to use a relay to convert the positive output of your brake switch to a negative input for the remote start disengage wire.  Wire the relay as follows.  Ground terminals 30 and 85.  86 connects to the wire of your brake switch that has 12 volts on it only when the brake pedal is depressed.  87 connects to the wire labeled negative trigger to deavtivate wire.

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last question
it says the diodes accross the coils are not shown
where should the diodes be
and
what polarity should the diodes be in
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Diodes go between terminals 85 and 86.  The banded end of the diode goes on the positive wire.  When I install a diode on a relay, I bend the legs to the appropriate width, just outside of the terminals.  Solder the diode leg as close to the base of the terminal as possible.  This will allow you to still place a connector onto  the terminal.
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With the price of purpose built remote start systems there is NO way you should build a relay only version.  Spend the $50 and buy a decent unit that has tach learning and all the other features that make these systems so nice.  By the time you buy the relays, buy the harnesses, and spend hours wiring it all up you will wish you just bought a remote start!
Kevin Pierson
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I'm with Kevin on this one especially from the tone of your questions and the fact that Mr. I needs his Crystal Ball returned because you haven't told us your make, model and year of car,  there are also all sorts of safety issues going on here, such as type of transmission, transponder by-pass etc. Suggest you have the store bought unit professionally installed. 

Mr I you've copied my diode solder method, as I said looking at Kevins install recently, it's amazing how many similarities in our methods, tools etc.

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the thing is that i all ready have a clifford 100 g4 and cliffords intelistart is about 100 pounds also wiring does not seem that bad all i have to do is wire the relays like they are in the diagram and that is not hard and i need to ccut two wires and attach them to my relays and attach the engage wires to my clifford
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If you already have an alarm with a AUX output you can buy any brand of remote start that has an activation input - I would think you could get one for much less then 100 pounds.

How are you going to control crank time?  That setup requires a "manual" crank ie you have to hold the output active until the car start, then shut the output off or the starter will continue to crank.  This relay setup has numerous shortcomings.....

Kevin Pierson
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