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AJRXtreme 
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Posted: October 02, 2004 at 11:18 PM / IP Logged  
alright i have stock rims right now with really good tires. Ive been able to go 75,000 miles before they had to be replaced. I wanted to know if i could do the same with tires for 22 inch rims. My dad says if u get tires for 22's then u will probably only be able to go 25,000 miles before they have to be replaced. Also i heard that u arent able to align the wheels if u have rims, because if the wheels arent aligned they wear a lot easier. If anyone could give me any advice please do so. Thankyou
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NowYaKnow 
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"alright i have stock rims right now with really good tires. Ive been able to go 75,000 miles before they had to be replaced. I wanted to know if i could do the same with tires for 22 inch rims."
Very doubtful, but I guess it depends on your driving habits. Even 25,000 would be a stretch in my opinion.
"Also i heard that u arent able to align the wheels if u have rims"
There's no reason why you can't align the wheels..
Also if you plan to get wheels that large, make sure you upgrade your brakes!
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Instead of aligning the wheels i meant balancing the wheels. I heard u arent able to balance the wheels when u have 22 inch rims. I also wanted to know why u have to upgrade your brakes. Thankyou in advance.
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flynntech 
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Posted: October 03, 2004 at 10:45 PM / IP Logged  

to take advantage of that extra contact surface!

Seriously, why go half way? Go full circle and build a real car.

boxmaker85 
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There shouldn't be a problem w/ balancing the tires.  Might be more dificult for the tire place and they might charge you more but they should be able to do it.  And yeah NowYaKnow probably right w/ the brakes.  Upgrade them.  It's a kinda complicated physics explination of eqations.  Also it lookes kinda retarded if you have huge rims and little dinky stock disk/drum breaks inside that are like 1/4 the size of the rims.

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The brake thing is easy, a larger wheel has more forward momentum and a larger contact surface making it harder to stop, if you dont upgrade your brakes than your braking distance will be extended and your brake life will go down the tubes. Also for what its worth I have a customer that has 22 inch spinners on his caddy and he has like 45000 km on his tires right now and they are still perfectly fine so I think you can still get long life as long as you dont drive like a retard and buy good tires to start with.
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boxmaker85 
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Actually a larger contact surface would mean easier braking b/c there is more area of the nonmoving group of particles trying to resist motion compared to a smaller tire w/ less contact surface, therefore less area for the nonmoving object to grip. 

But let's say you have ABS.  Then bravo to Ravendarat.  The 22" has more mass then the stock (let's say 16").  And a 22" rim has a greater rotational velocity at it's edge.  Greater mass, greater velocity all equal a greater momentum.  Greater momentum means you need a greater force counteracting the momentum (a bigger brake).  Gotta love physics and dynamics.

flynntech 
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Posted: October 04, 2004 at 11:01 PM / IP Logged  

I was just thinking about this today...

larger rims don't always wiegh much more than stock rims. Some can be very light, I'm assuming these rims are lightwieght, otherwise what's the point?

The problem most likely comes form the majority of the wieght being further away from the center, having stronger momentum against the brakes. I'm no physics expert, but I relate this to using a breaker bar over a stubby wrench, which is easier to turn?

A few good reasons to upgrade the brakes, most have been mentioned:

1. Don't expose weakness......showing off stock drums and rotors with large rims is uncool....it looks like you spent all of your money on rims and ran out of steam. It also looks like the car is trying to be something it can't be, because it can't.

2. Stock brakes suck anyways....at least upgrade the pads and hoses (steel braid)

3. the rims will be harder on the brakes, enter formulas for rotational force here:

I have a whole book of this from NEMA, it's an engineering pocket book, it's fascinating!

4. These tires will have better hanfling, braking and handling go hand in hand...otherwise there is an unbalance in performance.

5. Safety, don't you want to know your car will stop when and where you want it to stop?

Just think, if you encountered a deer, multi car pile-up at 70 mph, stupid drivers, drunk drivers running red lights...ect.. would you be able to stop?

6. Deceleration can be just as much fun as acceleration......once and a while :D

boxmaker85 
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Posted: October 05, 2004 at 11:29 AM / IP Logged  
Did a problem like this today in class.  The mass of a rotating object concentrates at the center of rotation.  Mass will still probably be slightly more than stock though, so momentum will increase ever-so-slightly.  Breaking w/ a larger wheel comapred to a smaller wheel (assuming all other factors are the same and the two have about the same mass) both will have approx. the same distance.  But upgrade for cosmetic reasons.  flynntech's got the idea with this.
Asmodeus 
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Posted: October 05, 2004 at 11:18 PM / IP Logged  

Came here to talk car audio got a physics lesson.

But they are right...( A little math for you) Big Rims +  Small brakes = No stopping power...

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