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ncchance 
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Posted: October 16, 2008 at 8:57 AM / IP Logged  

This is about as stupid of a question as anyone would hope to come across, but I feel obliged to ask it anyway.

I have an Orion HCCA 225 G4 amplifier. Extremely long story short....the power and ground connections got mixed up. After this issue literally came to light it was corrected, but the amp doesn't seem to turn on anymore.

Is the amp more than likely toast?

Thanks.

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Posted: October 16, 2008 at 9:16 AM / IP Logged  
If the amp was properly fused, it should have taken the fuse out.  Verify with a volt meter that the amp is getting power on the red wire and the blue wire.   If it is getting power to those 2 wires and it is not coming on, you have a burnt trace on the board.  It should be an easy fix.  There are diodes in the amp to protect it from this exact thing.  Fused properly they protect it.  Improper fusing will take out a trace on the circuit board.
ncchance 
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Posted: October 16, 2008 at 12:25 PM / IP Logged  

I am an idiot, thank you very much! LMAO! 

This afternoon I'll check everything out with a voltmeter.  This just happened last night so I haven't had the time to go ahead and get some readings. I just wanted to hit the ground running when I check it out after work. The amp is connected to the battery through a 30 amp fuse block and it also has (2) 30 amp onboard fuses. I did give those a look, but they didn't show any signs of failure (success).

The plug got pulled out when I had to grab something out from inside of the spare tire well. (obviously a result of momentary laziness)  I plugged it back in and heard a few crackles, but I figured it was just a few compenents getting energized. (haha?) I turned the stereo on and nothing from the subs, I went to check it out and realized the plug was upside down. Agh! Flipped it, plugged it in, hit the stereo and....nothing.

I'm only putting that out there in case any of it had something of relevance to it. If none of my story changes anything, please disregard my response, accept my appreciation, and believe me when I say I am the real idiot here. lol

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bigjohnny 
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Posted: October 16, 2008 at 6:29 PM / IP Logged  
maybe you blew a fuse in the car itself?
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Yes, as Johnny suggested, not a fuse in the car itself but the single 30 amp fuse you have near the battery is probably blown.
ncchance 
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I've checked it with the voltmeter and both wires are sending 12.26 volts to the amp with the ignition on accessory. I did replace the on-board fuses, but that didn't fix the problem. What's got me even more boggled is that I believe my subs may be blown in addition to the amplifier. They are very stiff and when hooked up to another working amplifier they have very low output. However, there is no scratching or anything.

If it is a trace that is burnt out and you are still up to responding, where can I find more info. on fixing the amp? I sure could stand to save some money right now. Thanks again!

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Posted: October 17, 2008 at 3:38 PM / IP Logged  
When you checked voltages, did you have the negative lead of the meter grounded to the ground wire at the ground input terminal of the amplifier?   Not at the end of the wire where it is attached to the car but at the terminal ON the amplifier.
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Check your RCA cables too, I froze a sub and killed the amp replaced the sub and the amp still did not work, after everthing else was check, we tested the RCA cables and they were bad however they looked fine. It was a weird thing.
ncchance 
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Actually, the first time I checked it I used the base of the trunk latch. I just ran out and tested the amp using the terminal on the amp. I got 12.62 at the Power and .684 at the remote. I tested the positive and negative jackets on the RCA. The positive was giving me 2.015 and the negative gave me nothing. For comparison I tested the RCAs going to amp powering the speakers in my rear deck. They didn't give me any readings at all. Let me also add that the car was not turned on and the key was not in the ignition.

What does this mean? How can the amp be drawing power when I have an accessory relay sending the power for the remote-on? Recently, I had an issue with my head unit where it wouldn't stop sucking power no matter what I did. Unless I disconnected the power harness of course. It would get absolutely hotter'n hell and drain my battery. As it turned out the internal amp chip was scorched. I took the amp chip out of the unit since it wasn't the source of power for my speakers. Ever since I took it out and isolated the leads I haven't had any problems. Until now.

Is it possible that when the Power and Ground wires were mixed up the amp used my speakers as a ground and fried everything in the path? That may sound like shear brilliance (sarcasm), but hey - what can I say? I've relied on luck this far...it was bound to go from bad to catastrophic...retardation. lol. I love me.

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ncchance 
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Posted: October 17, 2008 at 10:52 PM / IP Logged  

Dragon. That was pretty wierd. How can an RCA freeze a sub? Must have been some seriously high voltage shooting from that phuker or something. 

I would have thought the amplifier would just stop receiving power/information from the RCAs when they go bad. Obviously, I don't know much of anything pertaining to this maddness. I'm going to go sell my system as a bad joke and pay for installs from now on.

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