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nbb350 
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Posted: March 13, 2004 at 2:43 PM / IP Logged  

I'm installing a new head unit into a 2001 Monte Carlo LS and the Metra wiring harness comes with a note saying that a switched power lead does not exist in the factory wiring harness (i'm guessing the computer tells the factory radio when to turn "on" over the data bus lead in the harness). 

What i would like to do is to retain the delayed radio power option that the factory radio has with my new Kenwood head unit.  I was thinking i could do this by tapping into the power windows - which are still hot after the key is turned off and until the doors are opened.  i figured i'd tap into the window switch supply and use that lead to energize a relay with a fused power source direct from the battery.  that way the current draw from the relay shouldn' t blow any factory power window fuses - which it "could" if i hooked the new radio up directly to the power window lead.

My main question: where is a good place to tap into the power window lead?  can it be done in the driver's kickpanel area or under the dash without pulling the door panel?  i'd really like to not have to pull the door panel and trace wires.  or could i just pull the switch?  (just thought of that as i'm typing). 

since neither Haynes nor Chilton has bothered to publish a body manual for this vehicle yet, i'm kinda reluctant to start pulling off panels - i never know if it's held on with a hidden clip which will pop off OR a hidden screw which will snap off a panel tab somewhere!

thanks!

Nick B. ~ MN
2001 Monte Carlo LS
Kenwood KDC-MP925
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Rockford 12" Punch
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Posted: March 13, 2004 at 3:38 PM / IP Logged  

Your plan might work, but if the GM off-delay is like the Ford off-delay, the circuitry is inside the Visteon head unit not from the computer.  You will probably need the Chevrolet factory wiring diagram for the car, which can be purchased through any dealer for about $40.

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Posted: March 14, 2004 at 9:44 AM / IP Logged  
Why don't you use thr proper wiring harness? A lot easier and safer. Metra part# GMRC-01.
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i looked at the Metra GMRC-01 harness on several websites and it looked like all it did was retain the factory door chime.  i don't really care about the door chime as much as the computer interface.  i did not see any provisions on the harness to relocate the factory radio so i can retain my computer settings interface.  i DO have the Metra 70-2003T GM 2000-up Class 2 Data Retention Harness and inside on the instruction sheet it says "Due to the fact that a switched 12-volt accessory lead does NOT exist in the factory harness, an accessory source must be located."  that's what i'm trying to do. 

the windows are hot while the factory radio is hot - even after turning off the key.  i figure they must use the same singal source for time delay.  i also figure the power window relay (switched by the computer?) can handle the tiny current load of another relay to power the required switched accessory lead for the aftermarket radio.

i'm just wondering if anyone who has worked on a monte could help me out with locating this one wire...

on another note  though: since the factory system has an outboard amp in the trunk, am i correct in assuming that i will either have to: 1) drop my speaker leads from my Kenwood down to linelevel to interface into the factory harness at the dash, 2) bypass the factory harness/amp and run wires directly to the factory speakers, or 3) use Kenwood linelevels and aftermarket amp and speakers (this was intended to just be a headunit swap - not an entire system swap)?

Nick B. ~ MN
2001 Monte Carlo LS
Kenwood KDC-MP925
Hifonics Zeus
Rockford 12" Punch
nbb350 
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NOTE: the Metra 70-2003T harness i mentioned above DOES have a 2 wire lead branching off of it for the addition of the Metra SP-2003 door chime speaker.  i plan on just hooking up a little 2" computer speaker to that eventually.  sorry Metra!
Nick B. ~ MN
2001 Monte Carlo LS
Kenwood KDC-MP925
Hifonics Zeus
Rockford 12" Punch
chriswallace187 
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The GMRC-01 does supply a switched retained accessory power lead in addition to the door chime speaker - also, you don't need to keep the factory radio in the car when using it. If you can get one and return the 2003T, that's your best option.
If for whatever reason you can't get the GMRC-01, there is a wire in the driver's door boot which supplies retained accessory power to the windows, etc.; I am about 90% sure that it's a tan wire; if not just try some of the other heavy gauge wires there until you find one that reads 12v+ when the key is turned on and stays at 12v+ until the door is opened.
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Posted: March 14, 2004 at 1:48 PM / IP Logged  

Thank you chrisswallace187 for the clarification.

Now, if you have a factory amp in this vehicle and you want to make it an easy install, use Metra part# GMOS-03 instead of the GMRC-01. It is the same piece except the GMOS-03 will interface your factory amps for you.

Recap; GMOS-03 WILL keep delayed accessory feature.

              GMOS-03 WILL interface factory amp.

              GMOS-03 You DO NOT have to keep the factory radio in the vehicle.

chriswallace187 
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Also - forgot to put this in my first message - you probably won't need to worry about doing anything special to integrate the factory amp on this car. GMs amplified factory systems(with the exception of Bose systems and some trucks and SUVs) tend to accept speaker level inputs from an aftermarket radio fairly well.
As long as the remote turn-on wire in the aftermarket harness is connected, it will probably work out fine that way. Try doing that and see how it sounds before rewiring anything.
Another thing from your earlier post - the GMRC-01 contains databus circuitry to send and receive signals from the BCM, in the same way as the factory radio does. While it doesn't retain all functions(e.g. with the factory radio each keyless entry remote has an individual set of presets, this feature isn't kept), it does keep the data line intact so you don't have the air bag light on, or the bcm going bonkers or anything like that.
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Posted: March 15, 2004 at 10:11 AM / IP Logged  
That would be fine Chriswallace187 as long as you did not want your chimes or there is no Onstar in the vehicle. For these applications you have to use the GMOS-03 as the GMOS-03 turns the factory amp on when the key is out of the ignition to turn your chimes on. Also, the GMOS-03 turns the radio off and turns the factory amp on when the On-Star is activated.
chriswallace187 
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Posted: March 15, 2004 at 11:01 AM / IP Logged  
I'm not sure what you mean about not wanting chimes...the GMRC-01 has a chime speaker built into it so there wouldn't be a need to turn on the factory amp for that purpose. I can see the On-Star issue though, but just the factory amp shouldn't be a problem.
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