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sinistar 
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Posted: April 01, 2005 at 3:56 PM / IP Logged  

So I got my new Eclipse 10's installed in a custom box in the wheel well. Since they are new, I was expecting some tightness and sound issues. I wasn't trying to get my hopes up too much about the sound quality and db output, but in a previous thread 2-10" Eclipse in a ported enclosure hit 142db. So I was expecting something in the vicinity. When it was getting installed I noticed how small the box was. Pretty much just big enough for each sub to sit in. I did read the specs and it did say for a sealed enclosure the recommended air space was only .6 cu feet. so just a little over a half a cubic foot each sub. I have ample power going to these subs with the Diamond Audio 1200.1. I'm not real happy with how it sounds or performs and was wondering if my problem is the size of the box, or just the way it is setup with the subs in the wheel well firing up. I haven't got a real chance to play with the amp settings or anything like that since I am having a remote wire issue that is not allowing the amps to turn on...yeah. Hopefully thats just a minor glitch and then I can take what is suggested in here and try it out first. I know the gains are set too high as it is and I'm going to go through setting that all up from what I learned on here.

I need more bass. So far my 2-12" HX2's blow away these 10's as far as pure rumble goes which is disappointing. so any and all suggestions are much appreciated. Thanks.

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Posted: April 01, 2005 at 4:02 PM / IP Logged  
Model# of the subs please. If they are aluminum cone drivers, 1.25 cu.ft. sealed per sub will give you the results you desire.
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amb4life 
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Posted: April 01, 2005 at 4:16 PM / IP Logged  
the way i understand it is that you have a prefab enclosure that fires sideways?
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sinistar 
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Sorry, they are the 7104 DVC. the new aluminum ones. It is sealed firing up...not a prefab box. So I was thinking closer to 1 cu ft. myself when I took it in for install, but the installer and I were both looking at the manual and saw that they recommend .6 like I said. this is going to be a real pain in the ass if we have to change this box....really it is.

amb4life 
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Posted: April 01, 2005 at 5:20 PM / IP Logged  
wow..... well i personally have never been a fan of up firing subs. they just dont sound as good.  as far as the size of the enclosure  i would have gone with at least .75 cu ft to 1.25 but that is jsut me. have you added polyfil yet? that may give you better results.
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sinistar 
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Thats funny, polyfill was my next step which I've never had to use before. Its a new system, hopefully with some tweaking I can get it to an acceptable level where it should be. I know the up-firing subs are not optimal, but I love my new setup and trunk space...really makes a huge difference for me. May end up being a trade off though. No trunk/ huge bass, trunk space/little bass.
amb4life 
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Posted: April 01, 2005 at 5:46 PM / IP Logged  
I have never had the need for polyfil either but a friend of put a littel in a enclosure that was a little small and it made a world of difference. your right about the trade off of big space big bass.....you cant gain somethign without loosing soemthign somewhere....
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Drewt 
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take it back to the installer....haha
Polyfill should help some. Some manf. boxes are specked to have polyfill in 'em...
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sinistar 
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Posted: April 02, 2005 at 12:15 PM / IP Logged  

Drewt wrote:
take it back to the installer....haha
Polyfill should help some. Some manf. boxes are specked to have polyfill in 'em...
-Drew

I'm actually thinking of buying a cheap pre-fab, slapping the subs into it and seeing how it sounds then. If it improves it is going back to the installer. I'm sure he won't be happy if this is the case....too bad.

sinistar 
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Posted: April 02, 2005 at 5:34 PM / IP Logged  
Stuffed that lil box FULL of polyfill and it sounds a ton better. Not where I wanted to be, but better. So I guess my question is, is it bad to have to use the polyfill? should I have the box re-made for more air space? Got my amps all tuned in and running borderline max power to the subs to get the most bass possible out of them.  Wondering if I should have the installer re-do it since it obviously is meant for more air space. what do you think?
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