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snhtown 
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hey guys i narrowed my amps down to these 2...im not to sure which route to go, i can get the eclipse for $190

http://www.eclipse-web.com/amp/ea4000.html

or i can get the zapco for $380

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=597

now i like eclipse and i know they have good stuff, but is this a crapy cheap amp with the eclipse name on it?

 as far as zapco goes everyone says good things about them....so is the zapco really worth the extra $190? are the numbers accurate for each amp?

the eclipse puts out 2x150w @4ohm

while the zapco puts out   100w @ 4ohms or 175w @2ohm
this is for some cdt 60's so i want to make sure theese spekaers have a good amp for them thnx guys :)  i like to give them 150 watts each

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Either amp will do nicely...and saying that Eclipse makes crap amps is a sin...all eclipse amps are high quality good equipment.
The Eclipse amp you linked is a 4 channel while the Zapco is a 2 channel.
It's a hard decision but I would say the Zapco just because Zapco is badass
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yea i know, i know eclipse is good, but maybe they went to crap and that is why i cna get that particular amp cheaper then i thought i would...and i am temped to go the zapco way, for the same reason you say, cause its zapco...but the $200 differnce is making it differcult
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If money is an issue go with the eclipse..buy it from a reputable place that will allow you to return it if you are unstatisfied. The power ratings themselves if close to honest is not enough to notice a sustantial difference in output.
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I'd take that Zapco in a heart beat. The numbers speak for themselves. Besides the components used in the Zapco are of a much higher quality and must meet higher tolerances.
Isn't that Eclipse a digital amp? It just isn't right to run digital unless for sub use.
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what in the name of all that's holy is a  "digital" amp. I was always under the impression that audio is analog. even if it uses fiber optics..which is actually a good thing..it still has to go thru a D/A converter before it gets amplified.
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A "digital" amp is a switching amp.  Class D, T or Ice Power.

I'd buy the Zapco.

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ahhh...see... good to ask questions..I know a class D uses switch mode vs. linear but I thought the term "digital amp" was a marketing ploy. Thanks.

Regardless the Eclipse amp on the link in the post is a 4/3/2 channel mosfet..I don't see any info at all stating it is class D. I agree that the specs on the Zapco (s/n, thd)are better and it puts out about 50w more @ 4ohm brigded, but not $200 worth of better IMO.

But I am a cheapskate..lol

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im a cheapstake 2, but only because i know what something can really be had for, im using the amp for components, not a sub, another reason why i want to get the right amp for these, im still not sure if i should use my ppi art amp instead and use the money for a new alpine hu...i am looking for quality, thats why im still leaning the zapco way....whats the differnce with a digatal amp vs analog amp? wouldnt a digatal amp be beter suited for componets?

do you guys think a ppi art a300 will work good for these speakers

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First off..if you have an old PPI art series I personally love those and would use it and save the money..well something any cheapskate would do..lol

What was meant by a "digital" amp is a class D..which most are really designed for subwoofer mono applications, not the best choice for components. A "non" class D amp may be referred  to as an "analog" or "linear" amp which has to do with the type of internal "switching". Class D amps are more efficient then a class AB..which is what 99% of 2 and 4 channel amps are.

So no, a class D or "digital" if you wish to call it is not best suited for components unless it is a special application class D incorporating corrective circuitry..I have not seen too many of those so I would imagine they are rare or expensive. There are also class A amplifiers..which are not very efficient at all (maybe 50%) but many audiophiles swear by them. There is also another class called class T, which refers to "tripath" which is a technology that claims lower cost...extremely high efficiency (like 90%), basically like a digital amp but claim the sound quality of an A or AB. I have not tested a class T amplifier so I can not post a personal opinion on that. But use the PPI.....I can't see anything wrong with that.

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