any info on new viper 3303?

Any experience with the new Viper 3303 / Clifford 330.3x alarms? They use similar LC3 remotes to the 5901/50.7x. Anyone have the install guide? I found the user guide online and it says that to adjust the on board shock sensor, please see your DEI dealer. Does this mean that a bitwriter is required? I thought that it would be similar to the 5901 where you can adjust the shock sensor from the remote. Trying to decide on this alarm or possibly a used Clifford 50.7x from a coworker of my nephew. Not interested in remote start. Thanks

you should be able to adjust th shock sensor via remotes. I have only done one of the clifford 3.3x and had so many problems with the remotes.Ted

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Thanks for your reply, I appreciate your experience as an installer, but I wonder why the user guide would tell you to go to the dealer to adjust it? That implies that you would need a bitwriter, or a secret button combination, known only to dealers, to enable the adjustment. You say that you've had problems with clifford 3.3x remotes, what's your opinion on the LCD remotes, is this a Viper vs Clifford issue? I'm under the impression that this series of Cliffords are just rebadged Vipers. I happen to like the look of the Clifford remotes better and have also heard that the sirens that come with the Cliffords are slightly better than the ones included with the Viper systems. Again, thanks for your insight

DEI now owns a mojority of the brands out there. Viper is their premeir line, and python and clifford is just a rebadged unit, but remotes are differant in design.

the clifford siren is bigger, and slightly louder in my opinion.

THe reason it might say take a bitwriter, is because DEI does not like people installing any DEI unit into their own vehicle. They only want to help DEI dealers, so any DIY will be SOL. However, the shock should be adjustable through the remotes (longer process) the fast way is a bitwriter of course.

Ted

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Clifford G5 models are all that's left of the old Clifford Unfortunately, the Vipers, Avitals and Hornets can't compare and the LCD remotes are nothing but trouble. If you don't need 2 way a Clifford AG5.1 is probably the best product on the market. None of the above are DIY products.

As Howie mentioned, the old Clifford line (prior to DEI) was superb. prob the best you can buy IMO.

they respond much faster, but a hell hole to install if you are not a pro. DEI if you do DIY, you will DIE.

but to answer your question, you can without adjust the shock sensor with the remotes, no bitwriter required.

Ted

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Funny you should mention the old Clifford line. I purchased a Clifford Intelliguard 700IQ and had it professionally installed, believing it to be one of the best. Other than the irritating fact that the alarm would signal armed status with 2 chirps and flashes and disarm with 1 chirp and 1 flash (not intuitive and opposite to every other alarm I've ever heard), it seemed like a good unit. Fast forward 9 years, my car is in storage. I go to start the car and the car doesn't start, so I think maybe the alarm (which was turned off) might somehow be the cause. I forgot that I requested the starter interrupt not be installed, since I have EWS II. I notice a funny smell that I thought was just a musty odor from not driving the car for a while. Turns out the brain caught fire and took out my ABS computer. I checked the fuses and the proper fuses were installed in the alarm harness and OK. Looks like a transistor or internal relay melted down and generated a lot of heat and smoke. The case of the alarm had a dime sized hole melted thru and one of my cars trim panels had smoke damage. The install shop had since closed and there's no record of my alarm with Clifford. I go about removing my alarm and find that my 1997 E36 M3 is extremely easy to install an alarm. Granted remote start is a whole other story, but I'm not interested in remote start (car to be driven only in summer, manual trans, don't care about cooling car down, etc). I've researched alarm installs in US spec E36s and looking at how the Clifford harness was constructed I understand all the connections (ex: polarity inversion with relays and double lock diodes). I've looked at the 5901 install manual and understand most of the connections except for some DEI terminology, such as why the ignition(pink?) wire is designated input/output, -- input/output implies a bidirectional signal to me (computer engineer). The IQ700 had a main power wire (red) and an ignition (yellow I think) as inputs only. Anyway, sorry about rambling on, but if I go with a DEI alarm, I'm very confident in my abilities to figure out my specific install (excluding remote start which I don't really want) Thanks for all of your comments

I still do about one E36 a month, NEVER had any real problems with them except for the following; You must draw your power from either of the ignition feeds, RED / blue, RED / green or you will get spiking. Early E36 up to 94 were a PITA, by now any E36 of that vintage has f****d up electrics, window lifter CPU not working, ditto lock and door switch problems. As for the pink wire being an ignition sense and an output, just believe me it works. If you do go for R/S remember that tach is a black wire going to instrument panel and the purple ACC wire must be treated as a second ignition or the car won't start.

Nevermind the above question regarding the pink ignition input/output wire for the 5901, I figured it out after thinking about it for a while, I wasn't thinking in a remote start sense, just in an alarm sense. During remote start, this wire must act as the ignition wire as though it was due to the turn of the key. Regards

i say just hook up the rs portion if you are messing with the ignition wires anyways.

well wire up what you can, then any other help that you need, we will chime in.

Ted

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