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party_boy114 
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Posted: January 12, 2011 at 4:12 PM / IP Logged  

Hey, Im installing my 5901 in my truck in a few days, got about 90% of it figured out(i hope) lol. Im just so confused with the door pins and dome lights.

So from what i  gethered off many many websites, is that the door triger wire on the 5901 (H1/6) gets hooked up to the domelight supervision wire on the truck(black-lt. blue) so what does the 200ma dome light supervision (H1-9) get hooked up to. Ive read that i need to diode isolate the door pins, seeing how i have 4 doors i need to put a diode blocking truck side of wire on each door pin wire and connect it to H1-9? This is where i get confused, i know its not hard i just cant grasp it. I do have keyless entery to the truck. I want to make it so when i lock the truck with the alarm remote the dome light shuts of right away like it does with the factory remote.

Also when the remote start times out and shuts off i heard you need to get it to flash the door pin to shut the radio off, any idea how to do that?

And ive read that the turbo timer can be hook up to a switch so that it runs the time after the truck is shut off every time, this true and is all i need to do is ground h1/10?

Thanks a million guys!

06 F250 PSD Crew FX4
tony_g 
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i installed a 5701 on my wifes 98 taurus and i had to diode isolate all four door triggers individually as there was one for each door. i also had to double diode isolate a few days later as i kept getting false alarms from the door input trigger when the bcm went in to "sleep" mode several hours after we had used the car each day so had to completely cut each trigger wire between the door wire and bcm and place a 1n4001 diode in line band end towards door side then use another diode on each wire on the door side to the trigger wire and no more false alarms since then. i read somewhere on here its common with fords to have to do that. for her domelight i used the roller dial on the light switch panel which you use to dim the instrument lights or roll completely up to turn on the domelight, it worked flawlessly and flashes the interior lights when sounding the alarm as well as the parking lights. im not  sure about youre other wires but no doubt there are some very knowledgable and skilled people on here who can point you in the right direction

tony_g 
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oh one other thing i did initially tie the domelight in to the door trigger to activate that way but i wanted the alarm to auto rearm and lock if the wife got to the car unlocked it and then forgot something and had to go back indoors to get it( some undesirables in the building across the road) and by having the domelight connected to the door trigger it would trick the alarm into thinking a door had been opened and canceled the timed period before rearming and locking, before installing the r/s we have forgotten to lock it a few times before and its sat overnight unlocked,thankfully im not in england anymore so not too bad but where i live at the moment still not completely good to forget to lock the car lol
party_boy114 
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Alright thx for your input! im still confused tho, i want to block the signal comming from the truck to the alarm correct? so put 4 diodes in on each door pin wire and then connect the ends of each diode and connect it to the door trigger input on the alarm? or put in 4 diodes in after the conection point of the alarm on the door pin wires so that the vsm cannot get that pulse?
06 F250 PSD Crew FX4
Twelvoltz 
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Posted: January 13, 2011 at 7:26 PM / IP Logged  
The best way is to tie into each door trigger and diode isolate them, however it is a lot easier use the dome light supervision wire for your door trigger, no diodes required. Tie the purple (H1/6) to the vehicle's BLACK/ lt blue and turn off the door trigger error chirp.
The dome light supervision output from your viper system provides a low current output that turns on when you unlock/disarm your alarm. You would need to wire up a relay activated by this wire, supplying a positive tied into the same BLACK/ lt blue wire in the truck. Wiring the relay like this will turn on the dome light when unlocking:
85 H1/9 dome supervision output from Viper
86 and 30 fused constant +12V
87 Out to BLACK/ lt blue
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wmccue 
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Posted: January 13, 2011 at 9:08 PM / IP Logged  

Hello,

I've been following these posts and I'm having the same problem on my 01 f-250 diesel. I'm hooking up the 5902 which is really similar to the 5901. I can't find any door triggers that are not hooked to the supervision timed delay.

I did what Twelvoltz recommended and shut off the error chirp and used the relay configuration. 

However then you don't get to utilize the features of you alarm, and you lose the door trigger error reports. 

I don't understand how to find the door trigger wires to do the diode isolation, should all these be black ground wires that i'm looking for? and once i do find them should they show 12v+ when the door is open or closed.

Once i connect my diodes to these triggers, can the diodes be soldered together into one wire then run to the alarm input or output + or -  ???

sorry for all the questions but just trying to understand.

Thank-You in advance to anyone who can answer.!

2001 F-250 7.3l powerstroke diesel crew cab without keyless entry
tony_g 
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Posted: January 13, 2011 at 9:54 PM / IP Logged  
assuming ford place there modules in roughly the same you should be able to look under the steering column and see the passenger compartment fuse panel and the bcm is mounted on the underside of it with two or three grey connector plugs coming from the bottom, this is where youre door trigger wires should run into from all the doors. from the fun experiance of installing the 5701 in my wifes car all those inputs are negative (-) triggers for the various switches etc, what i did was to connect the multimeter + probe to 12v and backprobed each one with the neg test probe whilst one of the cars doors was open and everytime the meter showed a change to around 12v when i probed a wire i went and shut the open door to see if the reading changed to 0v indicating a door input wire,its time consuming but i got all doors trunk and trunk glass hatch tied into the vipers trigger wire. as i mentioned earlier i had false alarms on the door triggers after it was all done so i double diode isolated the door wires i.e i completely cut each wire in half, rejoined it together with a diode band side towards the door side wire then attached another diode on the door side of the trigger wire for each door etc then soldered the ends together and to the vipers door trigger input wire. whilst looking up under the dash area if you have factory keyless the module should be offset to the right above the brake pedal and you can tie into that for drivers priority unlocking as well as the 2nd unlock for all doors and the lock wire. before i started my install i spent the day before testing all the wires i was looking for and writing them down ready for the next day to just have at it, it saved a lot of time although i still couldnt do it as fast as the pro's can but 8 hours was long enough and it all works great
party_boy114 
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Posted: January 14, 2011 at 8:37 PM / IP Logged  

Alright thx a million!, i understand what to do with the door pins now. Gonna do the diodes even tho its a little more involved, then at lest its the proper way and full function of remote displays.

So does any one know how to flash the door pins when the remote start times out and shuts off the truck, but the radio stays on? Is there a wire that brefly gets a signal when the command start shuts off so i can hook a relay to flash the door pins, and in turn shut off the radio?

Any ideas on the turbo timer?

Thanks again!

06 F250 PSD Crew FX4
tony_g 
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Posted: January 15, 2011 at 2:20 AM / IP Logged  
from what ive read in other posts some suggestions have been to use the r/s factory alarm rearm wire to pulse the neg door trigger to shut of the RAP, im not completely sure on this as my car doesnt have this feature as soon as the ignition is off the radio and anything else shuts off. the turbo timer according to my viper install guide says to connect a momentary  push switch to the turbo timer wire and connect to a ground source, then you would just have to adjust settings for pulse count to activate and runtime if you want to change any of that in the settings menu
party_boy114 
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Posted: January 16, 2011 at 3:37 PM / IP Logged  
My truck does not have a factory alarm, just keyless entery. Thats why i was wondering how to hook it up.
06 F250 PSD Crew FX4
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