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mekhanic1l 
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2009 Nissan Sentra base, no factor keyless or alarm.
Viper 5701v
DLPK Module
The viper alarm module was installed w2w and works perfect.
Added DLPK for key transponder for remote start operation.
Car starts fine but after abut 4-5 mins of running, the alarm will sound and car shuts off.
About Install
I could not get the dlpk to program with just the High/Low bus wires to cars computer.
I had to hook up the DLPK status wire and ignition wire. I unplugged the viper modules door lock harness after dlpk because it was double locking/unlocking.
Car starts up perfect and runs well but after a few mins the alarm is triggered and it shuts down. Not sure where to go from here since it starts and runs for a few mins.
One thing that I did when installing the Alarm module that may be questionable was to only use the one accessory wire to drive accessory 1 and 2 one the Nissan. I did diode. isolate the wires and also checked for current draw and it was 80ma.
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The first thing I would do is separate that single connection to both ACC wires.
The Viper system has a Pink Ignition wire, Pink/White 2nd IGN/2nd ACC (selectable) and an Orange ACC1 wire.
Depending on how you tested the current draw for that 2nd Acc wire or even the primary Acc wire, I doubt it's only going to pull 80mA when everything is running. Those small gauge wires are often rated at 10 amps or close to it. That may not have anything to do with why it's shutting off, but the manufacturer separated them for a reason. I would keep them separate.
The instructions for the DLPK show the GWR (status) and ignition wires have to be connected along with the CANbus wires to program correctly.
It shows 2 places to grab the CANbus wires but it needs ignition to know when to start programming.
Also, check that you have a solid ground connection and move it to another spot if necessary.
Check the install manual and run a shutdown diagnostic.
mekhanic1l 
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shortcircuit161 wrote:
The first thing I would do is separate that single connection to both ACC wires.
The Viper system has a Pink Ignition wire, Pink/White 2nd IGN/2nd ACC (selectable) and an Orange ACC1 wire.
Depending on how you tested the current draw for that 2nd Acc wire or even the primary Acc wire, I doubt it's only going to pull 80mA when everything is running. Those small gauge wires are often rated at 10 amps or close to it. That may not have anything to do with why it's shutting off, but the manufacturer separated them for a reason. I would keep them separate.
to cont. side note from issue...
I know sounds strange about the acc wires. I tested them car on/off and switched on all acc and it would not draw more than 80ma. I even used two meters. Something I noticed is that when you +12v the acc wires you could hear relays clicking on and off under the dash. Seemed like the wires I taped into just activate relays. I will rewire them into the on board viper relays. thanks for the info
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I'm reaching here I know but if you connected a door trigger does this vehicle have any processor sleep issues?
The other point as SS pointed out if you connect the ignition that should override the alarm during R/S anyway.
Also X 2 about separating the ACC wires you might be getting some feed back.
A case in point, some POS Peugeots (and thank your Gods you don't get that rubbish in North America) have 2 x ignition 1.
On R/S you have 2 relay isolate them because they are both normally live whilst cranking and if you have the alarm on during remote start it will immediately trigger the alarm.
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Good Point Howie on the door trigger. In looking at the manual for the DLPK, it handles door, trunk and hood trigger via data.
How are these connected? Are they connected from the Viper to the car or to the module? or both? If you connected the trigger wires to the module, it's possible something could be falsing causing the alarm to trigger?
Is this wire connected to anything? -
H1/10 WHITE/ BLUE (-) REMOTE START/ TURBO TIMER ACTIVATION INPUT
I would definitely run a shutdown diagnostic and see what it's showing is getting triggered.
mekhanic1l 
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shortcircuit161 wrote:
Good Point Howie on the door trigger. In looking at the manual for the DLPK, it handles door, trunk and hood trigger via data.
How are these connected? Are they connected from the Viper to the car or to the module? or both? If you connected the trigger wires to the module, it's possible something could be falsing causing the alarm to trigger?
Is this wire connected to anything? -
H1/10 WHITE/ BLUE (-) REMOTE START/ TURBO TIMER ACTIVATION INPUT
I would definitely run a shutdown diagnostic and see what it's showing is getting triggered.
Turbo timer not connected.
Everything was wired directly to the viper module. I was told by viper that I could use the DLPK just for the transponder and that was the plan but didn't work.
Once I hooked up the two wires to the vehicles computer for hi low data I started to get double locking, so I disconnected the door locking wire from the viper module.
The door 'trigger' wire is still connected to viper module and not DLPK
Maybe there is some stray current interfering with the DLPK lock - and Viper trigger -
There is not a trunk or hood trigger connected to any module other than the hood safety switch to prevent starting with open hood and that is wired directly to viper module.
I am checking right now to see what zone is triggering the alarm. it happens about 5 mins into the remote start cycle
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howie ll wrote:
On R/S you have 2 relay isolate them because they are both normally live whilst cranking and if you have the alarm on during remote start it will immediately trigger the alarm..
I used diodes to keep the signals separated.
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Is the Viper connected D2D or W2W to the DLPK?
If D2D, try W2W and see if that helps.
The more I think about it, sounds like the hood trigger is being tripped somehow. It's the only input that the alarm and remote starter share in common.
Try disarming/unlocking the Viper system and try remote starting it. Does it still shut off after about 5 minutes? Does the alarm sound that time? If the hood input gets triggered, it would sound the alarm since it thinks the hood is being tampered with. At the same time, the hood switch is a shutdown input for the remote starter. If you are by chance running the DLPK via D2D to the Viper, it could be falsing a hood pin trigger. Make sense?
Try going W2W from the DLPK to the Viper and temporary disable the hood pin switch. Arm the system and try it again.
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Have you joined the pink to ignition yet?
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Or simply disconnect the hood pin then try and see if the alarm triggers. If not make hood pin longer.
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