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tactical-gears 
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Posted: February 20, 2016 at 11:19 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote tactical-gears
Hello there this is my first post, my name is Pete,
I have a 2006 dodge charger and recently am trying to install a Viper 5906v with theXPressKit DEI DBALL2 and i added the harness which made it kinda easy for starters.. I have connected most of the easy wires with no problem,
My issue is the remote start, 10 pin heavy gauge connector. i only have the violet and green connected . I keep seeing it may require a relay, but if someone has done this to this particular car and you have pictures or diagrams please share them. I do-NOT have much trouble identifying the wires it's mostly connecting the 10-pin heavy gauge wires to where they should go and which wires can go together as i seen several vids where they bunch up the reds and pinks. Not sure..
NOTE: i do have the wiring print out form the car and the install paper from Viper. Thanks
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Posted: February 27, 2016 at 3:27 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote tactical-gears
geepherder wrote:
You have several wires on your system that need constant power. Do not connect them all to the white wire in your ignition harness. Do not connect them all to the BLACK/ red wire in your ignition harness. Connect half of them to the white wire, and the other half to the BLACK/ red wire.
geepherder Thanks, Can you check mine from the 6-pin main harness i see a constant power and some from the Remote start 10-pin and let me know which ones you would get/put together and which ones together. My mixed up is on the ignition -2 wires from the Remote Start 10-pin harness. Please help, the 3 pin connector and mostly the 24 pin are more easier for me. I am trying to hook it up on a 2006 Dodge charger and am using the Dball2.
Main Harness, 6-pin connector
   H1/1       Red            (+) 12v Constant Input
   H1/2       Black        (-)   Chassis Ground
   H1/3       Brown        (+) Siren Output
   H1/4       WHITE/ Brown    Parking Light Isolation Wire - PIN 87a of onboard relay
   H1/5      WhiteParking Light Output
   H1/6      Orange       (-) 500mA Ground when armed
Door Lock 3-Pin Connector
    (1.)      Blue       (-) 500mA Unlock Output
    (2.)      Empty          NOT Used
    (3.)      Green     (-) 500mA Lock Output
H3 Remote start 10 pin heavy gauge harness
     H3/1     Pink            (+)    Ignition-1 Input/Output
     H3/2     RED / White (+)    Fused (30A) Ignition-2 / Flex Relay Input 87
     H3/3     Orange       (+)    Accessory Output
     H3/4     Violet          (+)    Starter Output ( Car Side of Starter Kill )
     H3/5     Green          (+)    Starter Input     ( Key Side of Starter Kill )
     H3/6     Red             (+)    Fused (30A) Ignition-1 INPUT
     H3/7     Pink/White (+)    Ignition-2 / Flex Relay Output
     H3/8     Pink/Black   (+)    Flex Relay Input 87A key side (if required) of FLEX RELAY
     H3/9     RED / Black    (+)   Fused (30A) Accessory/Starter Input
     H3/10    NC       No Connection
Auxiliary/Shutdown/Trigger Harness, 24-pin connector
(1.)      Pink/White       (-) 200mA Ignition 2/Flex relay Output
(2.)      Blue/White      (-) 200mA Trunk Release Output
(4.)      BLACK / YELLOW    (-) 200mA Dome Light Output
(5.)      Dark Blue        (-) 200mA Status Output
(6.)      WHITE/ Black     (-) 200mA Aux 3 Output
(7.)      WHITE/ Violet     (-)   200mA Aux 1 Output
(8.)      ORANGE / Black   (-) 200mA Aux 4 Output
(9.)       Gray (-) Hood Pin Input (NC or NO)
(10.)     Blue (-) Trunk Pin/Instant Trigger Input
(11.)     WHITE/ Blue           Activation Input
(12.)     Violet/White*       Tachometer Input
(13.)     BLACK/ White** (-) Neutral Safety Switch/Parking Brake input
(14.)     GREEN/ Black    (-) 200mA Factory Alarm Disarm Output
(15.)     Green*            (-) Door Output
(16.)     BROWN / Black    (-) 200mA Horn Honk Output
(17.)     Pink   (-) 200mA Ignition1 Output
(18.)     Violet*             (+) Door Input
(19.)     Violet/Black     (-)   200mA Aux 2 Output
(20.)     Brown             (+) Brake Shut down Input
(21.)     Violet / YELLOW    (-) 200mA Starter Output
(22.)     Gray/black       (-) Diesel Wait to start
(23.)     Orange            (-) 200mA Accessory Output
(24.)     GREEN / WHITE    (-) 200mA Factory Alarm Arm Output
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Posted: February 27, 2016 at 3:40 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote geepherder
The fused wires in the 10 pin harness (whichever of them you are using) all need to go to constant power. I've never done a Charger, or a dball2 for that matter so I can't give you guidance there.
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tactical-gears 
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Posted: February 27, 2016 at 3:41 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote tactical-gears
Can someone tell me which ones they would bunch up together for constant power on the Remote start 10-pin .....My mixed up is on the ignition -2 wires from the Remote Start 10-pin harness. The 3 pin connector and mostly the 24 pin are a bit easier for me.
Thanks
Main Harness, 6-pin connector
   H1/1       Red (+) 12v Constant Input
   H1/2       Black        (-)   Chassis Ground
   H1/3       Brown        (+) Siren Output
   H1/4       WHITE/ Brown    Parking Light Isolation Wire - PIN 87a of onboard relay
   H1/5      WhiteParking Light Output
   H1/6      Orange       (-) 500mA Ground when armed
Door Lock 3-Pin Connector
    (1.)      Blue        (-) 500mA Unlock Output
    (2.)      Empty  NOT Used
    (3.)      Green     (-) 500mA Lock Output
H3 Remote start 10 pin heavy gauge harness
     H3/1     Pink (+)    Ignition-1 Input/Output
     H3/2     RED / White (+)    Fused (30A) Ignition-2 / Flex Relay Input 87
     H3/3     Orange       (+)    Accessory Output
     H3/4     Violet (+)    Starter Output ( Car Side of Starter Kill )
     H3/5     Green (+)    Starter Input     ( Key Side of Starter Kill )
     H3/6     Red (+)    Fused (30A) Ignition-1 INPUT
     H3/7     Pink/White (+)    Ignition-2 / Flex Relay Output
     H3/8     Pink/Black   (+)    Flex Relay Input 87A key side (if required) of FLEX RELAY
     H3/9     RED / Black    (+)   Fused (30A) Accessory/Starter Input
     H3/10    NC       No Connection
Auxiliary/Shutdown/Trigger Harness, 24-pin connector
(1.)      Pink/White       (-) 200mA Ignition 2/Flex relay Output
(2.)      Blue/White      (-) 200mA Trunk Release Output
(4.)      BLACK / YELLOW    (-) 200mA Dome Light Output
(5.)      Dark Blue        (-) 200mA Status Output
(6.)      WHITE/ Black     (-) 200mA Aux 3 Output
(7.)      WHITE/ Violet     (-) 200mA Aux 1 Output
(8.)      ORANGE / Black   (-) 200mA Aux 4 Output
(9.)       Gray (-) Hood Pin Input (NC or NO)
(10.)     Blue   (-) Trunk Pin/Instant Trigger Input
(11.)     WHITE/ Blue Activation Input
(12.)     Violet/White*        Tachometer Input
(13.)     BLACK/ White** (-) Neutral Safety Switch/Parking Brake input
(14.)     GREEN/ Black     (-) 200mA Factory Alarm Disarm Output
(15.)     Green* (-) Door Output
(16.)     BROWN / Black    (-) 200mA Horn Honk Output
(17.)     Pink   (-) 200mA Ignition1 Output
(18.)     Violet* (+) Door Input
(19.)     Violet/Black     (-)   200mA Aux 2 Output
(20.)     Brown  (+) Brake Shut down Input
(21.)     Violet / YELLOW    (-) 200mA Starter Output
(22.)     Gray/black       (-) Diesel Wait to start
(23.)     Orange (-) 200mA Accessory Output
(24.)     GREEN / WHITE    (-) 200mA Factory Alarm Arm Output
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tactical-gears 
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Posted: February 27, 2016 at 9:25 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote tactical-gears
I am installing the viper 5906v on 2006 charger..I'm pulling my hairs out some :( If you can guide me on the 10-pin please do..Here's some questions below.
Question #1... The H3/7-pink/white wire Ignition-2 / Flex Relay Output, What does it mean? The car wiring data info says same as ignition-1 ? Do i wire up a connection using a relay which i do have, if so please guide me, i just need a boost to get started..
Question #2.. Does the H3/8 Pink/Black wire go with a mentioned above relay but goes in 87a ? Diagrams please share or which should i follow..
Question #3... Does the 5906v have already a kill switch built into it,. I am confused with H3/4 Violet (+) Starter Output ( Car Side of Starter Kill ) AND H3/5 Green (+) Starter Input     ( Key Side of Starter Kill )... If it don't do i wire up a kill switch wiring? Which Kill switch diagram should i follow?
Question #4... H3/3 Orange (+) Accessory Output,, Do i connect this wire to a ACC wire in vehicle?
H3 Remote start 10 pin heavy gauge harness
     H3/1     Pink            (+)    Ignition-1 Input/Output
     H3/2     RED / White (+)    Fused (30A) Ignition-2 / Flex Relay Input 87 ------------------done
     H3/3     Orange      (+)      Accessory Output
     H3/4     Violet          (+)    Starter Output ( Car Side of Starter Kill )
     H3/5     Green          (+)    Starter Input     ( Key Side of Starter Kill )
     H3/6     Red             (+)    Fused (30A) Ignition-1 INPUT -----------------------------------done
     H3/7     Pink/White (+)    Ignition-2 / Flex Relay Output
     H3/8     Pink/Black   (+)    Flex Relay Input 87A key side (if required) of FLEX RELAY
     H3/9     RED / Black    (+)   Fused (30A) Accessory/Starter Input --------------------------done
     H3/10    NC       No Connection
Thanks in advance for any advice you can post up...
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Posted: February 28, 2016 at 7:16 AM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote kreg357

Here is a link to a Pictorial on your 2006 Charger :  https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=132847

While the aftermarket equipment used is different, the wire colors and locations should be the same.

By "added the harness", I'm guessing you mean the DBI D2D harness as there appears to be no T-Harness available from

XpressKit for your car.  ( I'm not a DB-ALL2 user...)  That would mean that the DB-ALL2 w/402.Chrysler Ver 5.06.01
firmware is connected to the Viper via the 4 Pin D2D harness and all the Blue dash lines in the Type 4 diagram are handled
by that harness.

The install is pretty simple with very few wire connections to the car.  Most of these connections are shown in the DB-ALL2

Type 4 diagram and photos can be found in the pictorial.  The only additional thing is the Viper siren wires.

Here is the wiring :

Main Harness, 6-pin connector

   H1/1       Red   (+) 12v Constant Input   to +12V Constant
   H1/2       Black  (-)   Chassis Ground chassis ground
   H1/3       Brown  (+) Siren Output        siren
   H1/4       WHITE/ Brown    Parking Light  PIN 87a          not used
   H1/5      White Parking  Light Output   *** Set to (+)   to WHITE/ Violet in PKP
   H1/6      Orange  (-) 500mA Ground when armed       not used

Door Lock 3-Pin Connector

    (1.)      Blue        (-) 500mA Unlock Output       D2D
    (2.)      Empty NOT Used
    (3.)      Green     (-) 500mA Lock Output          D2D

H3 Remote start 10 pin heavy gauge harness

     H3/1     Pink   (+)    Ignition-1 Input/Output       As per Type 4 diagram
     H3/2     RED / White (+)    Fused (30A) Ignition-2       not used
     H3/3     Orange       (+)    Accessory Output not used
     H3/4     Violet          (+)    Starter Output ( Car Side )   As per Type 4 diagram
     H3/5     Green          (+)    Starter Input     ( Key Side )          not used
     H3/6     Red (+)    Fused (30A) Ignition-1       to +12V constant
     H3/7     Pink/White (+)    Ignition-2 / Flex Relay Output         not used
     H3/8     Pink/Black   (+)    Flex Relay Input 87A         not used
     H3/9     RED / Black    (+)   Fused (30A) ACC/Starter Input     to +12V constant
     H3/10    NC       No Connection

Auxiliary/Shutdown/Trigger Harness, 24-pin connector

(1.)      Pink/White       (-) 200mA Ignition 2/Flex relay Output   Not used
(2.)      Blue/White      (-) 200mA Trunk Release Output            D2D
(4.)      BLACK / YELLOW    (-) 200mA Dome Light Output                Not used
(5.)      Dark Blue        (-) 200mA Status Output            Not used
(6.)      WHITE/ Black     (-) 200mA Aux 3 Output             Not used
(7.)      WHITE/ Violet     (-) 200mA Aux 1 Output             Not used
(8.)      ORANGE / Black   (-) 200mA Aux 4 Output            Not used
(9.)       Gray (-) Hood Pin Input (NC or NO)       to kit supplied hood pin switch
(10.)     Blue   (-) Trunk Pin/Instant Trigger Input           D2D
(11.)     WHITE/ Blue Activation Input                    Not used
(12.)     Violet/White*        Tachometer Input     D2D
(13.)     BLACK/ White** (-) Neutral Safety Switch/Parking Brake input      D2D  ** Could go to Chassis Ground
(14.)     GREEN/ Black     (-) 200mA Factory Alarm Disarm Output   D2D
(15.)     Green*   (-) Door Input    D2D
(16.)     BROWN / Black    (-) 200mA Horn Honk Output     Not used
(17.)     Pink   (-) 200mA Ignition1 Output         Not used
(18.)     Violet* (+) Door Input   Not used
(19.)     Violet/Black     (-)   200mA Aux 2 Output           Not used
(20.)     Brown (+) Brake Shut down Input         D2D
(21.)     Violet / YELLOW    (-) 200mA Starter Output           Not used
(22.)     Gray/black       (-) Diesel Wait to start   Not used
(23.)     Orange   (-) 200mA Accessory Output      Not used
(24.)     GREEN / WHITE    (-) 200mA Factory Alarm Arm Output     D2D

While I am not a Viper user, I believe you can combine the three necessary +12V constant input wires into one and fuse

this one connection down to 20 - 25 amps.  The +12V constant wire shown in the Pictorial should be suitable for this but
you could always go directly to the battery, too.

Question #1... The H3/7-pink/white wire Ignition-2 / Flex Relay Output, What does it mean? The car wiring data info says

same as ignition-1 ? Do i wire up a connection using a relay which i do have, if so please guide me, i just need a boost to
get started..

Answer #1 :  H3/7 is not used/needed for your application. 

Question #2.. Does the H3/8 Pink/Black wire go with a mentioned above relay but goes in 87a ? Diagrams please share

or which should i follow..

Answer #2 :  H3/8 is not used/needed for your application.

Question #3... Does the 5906v have already a kill switch built into it,. I am confused with H3/4 Violet (+) Starter Output

( Car Side of Starter Kill ) AND H3/5 Green (+) Starter Input     ( Key Side of Starter Kill )... If it don't do i wire up a kill switch
wiring? Which Kill switch diagram should i follow?

Answer #3 :  Slightly longer answer.  The Charger may or may not have a Factory alarm system.  The Viper is an alarm

system and monitors the doors, trunk and hood.  So, do you need/want additional security?  The "Starter Kill" relay is built in
to the Viper.  No need to add an external relay.  Wired up as shown above and in the DB-ALL2 Type 4 diagram will work
fine but not use the Vipers Starter Kill and Anti-Grind functions.  You could try it this way first, make sure everything works
OK before cutting the cars Starter wire and adding in the Vipers thick Green wire.

Question #4... H3/3 Orange (+) Accessory Output,, Do i connect this wire to a ACC wire in vehicle?

Answer #4 :  Your car does not have an actual Accessory wire and does not need either the Vipers thick (+) Orange

Accessory wire or the thin (-) Orange Accessory wire connected.

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Posted: February 28, 2016 at 11:04 AM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote tactical-gears
Thanks for the reply.
I will try some of the wiring later on today. I am using type 4 wiring and the D2D which handles most of the locks, unlocks, etc etc. The pin -10 harness is the one giving me pain, but i will try some of what you posted. I did see your link thread the other day but the equipment was different so i was weary of following it (fear of burning something), though i did go over your entire thread and theres nothing better then pictoral views, thanks for that!!! it really helped as i had already disected most of the carpet, ignition etc, etc. But since you mentioned the wiring is mostly the same Viper 5906v & DBALL2 on 2006 Charger -- posted image. i will be trying it then get back to reporting what happened. I know for sure i will be back. Thanks again
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Posted: February 28, 2016 at 12:12 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote kreg357
Use the Viper wiring listed above, the DB-ALL2 Type 4 wiring diagram and the pictures of the necessary wires shown in the Pictorial.  Like you said, you are using different modules, so you have to draw the needed info from various sources and put it all together for your application.
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Posted: February 28, 2016 at 2:44 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote tactical-gears
I had everything just about how you posted it but i did removed the H3/9 RED / Black power to coincide with your post as not used...... I also did not use the H3/6 green and went straight only with the violet starter out put as said.
I have 1- issue though on 6-pin connector? Since it says (-) 50mA ground when armed output. What fo i do with that wire.
As of now i try to remote start it and it reads" Remote start Not available" i believe i need to Enable MTS mode but i have not a clue yet 🙁 Module blinks 7 times likewise lights in regards to the start up diagnostics.
Any input ?
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Posted: February 28, 2016 at 3:16 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote kreg357

As noted above, the Vipers' GWA output is not used.  It is a signal that is typically used for window roll-up or similar functions.

Are you saying that your Charger has a manual transmission?  I must have missed that somewhere.  My answers would have slightly different, if I answered at all.  If you do have a manual transmission, this info is incorrect and needs to be ignored :   

13.)     BLACK/ White** (-) Neutral Safety Switch/Parking Brake input      D2D  ** Could go to Chassis Ground

In MTS Mode the BLACK/ White wire needs to get the EBrake signal, which the DB-ALL2 in D2D mode supplies.  Do not ground the Vipers Neutral Safety Switch input wire.

Additionally, with a manual transmission in MTS Mode, you must run in Tach Mode ( no problem, as the DB-ALL2 supplies a Tach signal ) and you must bypass the clutch pedal interlock switch.  This makes this install more complicated, more advanced and increases liabilities...

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