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HeathMac 
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Posted: February 04, 2004 at 10:21 PM / IP Logged  
hello i am puting a remote start im my car and it is a stick, i would like to know how to override the clutch safety switch. any help would be great thank you
bobrosco 
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Posted: February 04, 2004 at 10:40 PM / IP Logged  

You should use a standard 30A automotive relay to bypass the clutch. It depends on what type of car you have, but there should be at least 2 wires coming from the clutch pedal. When the clutch pedal is pressed, a switch closes the circuit between these two wires, and provides power to the starter motor.

Sooo..... you need to identify the two wires, usually a basic Hayne's or Chilton's Repair manual will have the diagram for it and tell you what color they are. Then use a relay to bypass the switch at the pedal, closing the circuit and simulating a pushed clutch pedal.

For help on the relay, check out the relay's section of the site: https://www.the12volt.com/relays/relays.asp

And if you need more help, tell us what kind of car you have and the remote start brand and model.

HeathMac 
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Posted: February 04, 2004 at 10:44 PM / IP Logged  
thank you, you rock!
jgold47 
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Posted: February 06, 2004 at 6:23 PM / IP Logged  

dont be stupid...think of what can happen if you leave the car in gear... I know I did once (well sh*t, more than once) , and caused about 1000 in damage to my car.  what if some kid in the parking lot is walking infront of your car and the rs pins them...

sorry to be such a bummer...do a search on this there have been 1.21 billion posts on why this is a stupid thing to do, even with the best intentions (I know I had em )

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Posted: February 06, 2004 at 6:31 PM / IP Logged  

I have several friends with the same story as above.  If it isn't designed for remote start on manuals, then I suggest not just bypassing it.

My Clifford alarm is designed for a manual, has been installed for 4 years now and I have never had a problem.

If you already have the alarm, peripheral makes a great device to still get it to work.  It is called the "Neutral Safety Switch" or NSS and works by monitoring the door pins.  If a door is opened, it won't start.  You will find it at the bottom of this link: http://peripheralelectronics.com/2002/security_bypasses.asp

jgold47 
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Posted: February 06, 2004 at 6:43 PM / IP Logged  

stephen, let me ask you, how does your clifford "know" that the car is not in gear?

its been my experiance with manual specific RS's that they make you do the hokey pokey before the car is armed, so YOU make sure its in neutral.  brake twice, key on off on, then arm etc... the idea being that if you do all that, you will be sure its in neutral...

but never the clifford unit, and I was wondering how it "knows" your in neutral??

bobrosco 
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Posted: February 07, 2004 at 10:25 AM / IP Logged  
Could you explain how the security bypass works in more detail. I don't understand how monitering the doors it could tell whether the tranny is in neutral. Thanks for the info.
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Posted: February 07, 2004 at 10:44 AM / IP Logged  

jgold47:  When I am getting out of the vehicle and it is still running, I push a button on the remote.  The alarm takes over the ignition portion so I can pull my key out.  The engine is still running, and I am getting out of the car.  This means that it would have to be in neutral.  I close the door, arm the alarm and the vehicle's engine shuts down.  If I disarm the alarm, it won't remote start just in case I accidently bumped it into gear.

bobrosco:  I must admit that I have yet to install one.  But I have the unit at our shop.  Here's the operation instructions listed in the manual, which I think will help you understand how it works:

"To activate the NSS the car must be running with the e-brake off.

Apply the e-brake

Activate the remote car starters stop & go feature

Remote the keys (the car should stay running)

Exit the vehicle and close the door

The NSS will shut off the engine

The car is now ready to remote start

The NSS will remain in "start mode" as long as no doors are opened on the vehicle.  Once a door is opened the NSS will need to be reactivated."

jgold47 
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Posted: February 07, 2004 at 10:51 AM / IP Logged  
bingo...that makes perfect sense now....I appreciate you taking the time to explain it to me!!
bobrosco 
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Posted: February 07, 2004 at 10:56 AM / IP Logged  
Exactly what jgold47 said. Thanks for the explanation remote start on a manual -- posted image.
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