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arp35 
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I am doing some preliminary wire probing in prep for the installation.  My vehicle is a 2003 Dodge Ram without the factory alarm.  Please help answer these questions:  1.  I was probing for the accessory wires (ignition harness)and located the BLACK/ wht that reads 12 volts in the accessory position and in the run position and goes to 0 when starting(and without the key -not constant).  The second accessory wire was orange and shows 0 volts in accessory position and 12 in run and goes to 0 during start (and without key).  Is this correct for the 2nd accessorry wire?  I could not find another wire in the ignition bunch that acted like the BLACK/ wht wire.   Number 2 question:  I was probing the dook lock wire which is a single WHITE/ green wire.  Without moving the switch it reads about 4.8 volts.  When the door lock switch is moved, the voltage drops about 1 volt or so to about 3.2 volts.  Is this correct?  My install guide says this wire should read 12 volts at no movement not 4.8.  Question number 3:  Is it acceptable to use the yellow/blue (+) wire in the driver's side A pillar as an all door trigger instead of using the 4 independent door triggers and isolating them all with diodes?   Thanks in advance.  I ordered a crimestopper 2016FM alarm and will install it next week.

Alan

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OR U could try this........................

Constant 12 voltsPINK/BLACK RED / WHTITEIGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
Ignition 12 voltsBLUE 16 gaugeIGNITION SWITCH HARNESS *
StarterYELLOWIGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
Dome LightBROWN (-)DRIVER A PILLAR (TECH NOTE)
Trunk Pin Switch
Parking LampBLACK / YELLOW (+)AT RELAY BOX UNDER HOOD **
Power LockWHITE/ DARK GREEN14 PIN CONNECTOR IN DRIVER
Power UnlockSINGLE WIRE SYSTEMKICK PANEL ***
* USE THE SMALL GAGE BLUE WIRE! ** BLACK / YELLOW (+) At Relay Box Under Hood Or At Parking Light. *** WHITE/ DARK GRN Wire Must See Ground Through 820 Ohm Resistor For Lock And Ground Through 330 Ohm Resistor For Unlock.Alt: 220 Ohms. Confermed By More Than One Source The 220 Ohm Worked On Unlock. 
Single Wire Resistor Door Lock Circuit

Accessories
Window UpD\ LT BLU P\ BRN/WHT D\ BLU/WHT P\ GRY/WHT @ DRIVER DOOR MODULE
Window DownF/ WHITE F/ VLT/WHT R/ RED / BLK R/ GRN/WHT
Ign Key WarnBLACK/ DK GRN (-)IGNITION HARNESS
Trunk Release
OEM HornBLACK/ RED (-)STEERING COLUMN HARNESS
HeadlightsPURPLE / YELLOW (-)SEE TECH NOTES
OEM Alarm ArmLT GRN/ORANGEDRIVER KICK PANEL *
OEM Alarm DisarmSINGLE WIRE SYSTEM

*LT GRN/ORANGE-Arm/Disarm Must See A Ground Pulse thru a 1.5K Ohm Resistor To Arm/Lock and a Ground Thru A 550 Ohm Resistor To Disarm/Unlock Use Double Pulse Unlock. (Installer has Reported 249 Ohm Resistor For Disarm) 

Reversal Rest At Positive Power Window Circuit

Remote Start
Tach SignalTAN/REDIGNITION COIL
Ignition #2RED / WHITE 16ga*IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS(TRANS CON)
Ignition #3DARK GREENIGNITION SWITCH HARNESS (BLOWER)**
AccessoryBLACK/ WHITEIGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
Neutral Safety
Brake LightWHITE/ TANAT SWITCH ABOVE PEDAL
Reverse LightVIOLET/BLACK (+)64 PIN CONNECTOR UNDER HOOD***
Rear Window Defrost

* Also Has Been Noted As RED. **Ignition # 4 : ORANGE Ignition Switch Harness Air Bag Control Module. *** 64 Pin Connector Located On Firewall By Driver Fender VLT/BLK pin # B7

Transponder By Pass Circuit  If Key is GREY-Vehicle has Transponder, If Key is Black-Vehicle Does Not Have Transponder
OMEGA MULTI ByPASS Unit........DB-CHDL-3-PK
OMEGA Door Lock Kit Only...........DLR-U

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Posted: April 27, 2005 at 9:17 PM / IP Logged  

Ok, so to hook up the remote start 6-pin high current connector it would go like this:

Pin 1: Starter output to the yellow wire

Pin 2: Accessory (Heat/AC) to the Dark Green (Blower) wire

Pin 3 and Pin 4: +12 volt to the pink/black and RED / wht wires

Pin 5: Ignition 1 to the Blue 16 guage wire

Pin 6: Ignition or Accessory #2 output to the RED / white ignition #2 wire and hook up the accessory BLACK/ white wire together with pin 2 using a relay?

Does this look right?  Also, any answers on questions 2 and 3 from original post?  Thanks again,

Alan
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Posted: April 28, 2005 at 11:09 AM / IP Logged  
I think I have figured it out.  I read another post that was similar to my problem (imagine that).  Anyway, I will plan on wire the remote starter like this....  In the 6 pin high current connector.  The start wire to the dodges yellow.  The ACC wire to the dodges orange and green wires using a relay plus the alarms blue/black as a negative ignition output on the relay.  The two 12v + wires to the dodges pnk/blk and RED / wht wires.  The IGN wire to the dodges Blue 16 awg wire (the thicker blue wire - right?).  And finally the alarms IGN#2 wire to the dodges RED / wht or red wire.  Does this sound/look correct?
Alan
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Posted: April 28, 2005 at 12:21 PM / IP Logged  
It says 27 pages of gobbly gook....  I have read it a thousand times.   My issue is identifying the correct Dodge Ram wires to match the alarms.  For instance, The Dodge has orange and green accessory wires which I'm guessing power the heat/air.  But it also has a blk/wht accessory wire that powers the radio when the key is in the accessory position.  I'm assumming the blk/wht does not need to be connected for the remote start to operate. 
Alan
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I went to www.bulldogsecurity.com and downloaded their 03 Dodge Ram wiring diagram.  In the research I've done...it is the best and most accurate.  It properly identifies the IGN 1 and 2 wires as well as the ACC 1 and 2.   Does anyone know if the voltage from the door lock/unlock wire I mentioned in the original post is correct?  Also, question number 3 above as well.  Thanks for all the help.
Alan
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in response to your 3rd question, you cannot use the dome light wire in this application because of the delay that it has.  The dome light stays on for 15 sec or so after the door is closed, the alarm will read this as a door being open and will bypass the door trigger during its arming sequence.   Use the separate door triggers and diode isolate them indivuidually.
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Thanks, I'll plan on using the 4 separate door triggers.  Does anyone know what the advantage is to connect the horn.  Isn't the siren enough?  Why would you want the horn and siren going off or chirping?  I'm confused???
Alan
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<<<<   Does anyone know if the voltage from the door lock/unlock wire I mentioned in the original post is correct? >>>>>
YES..........It is correct, but I am NOT sure why you need that information.  Door Lock / UNLock is a RESISTOR type Install and you need to supply a Ground thru the proper resistor for the Lock / Unlock to work
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arp35 
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Thanks MO.  I was using a DMM to check the wires and the install guide I was referncing said the door locks would read 12 volts at rest and the change when switched to lock/unlock.  So when I got a different reading it made me think I might have picked the wrong wire.  Any opinion on the horn question above?
Alan
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