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mcbride66 
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Posted: January 16, 2015 at 1:52 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote mcbride66
Is there any chance you could post a step by step wiring guide for Viper 5806v with dBall2.....451M and 8617 Relay?
2002 Chevy Silverado 1500 LT ext. cab
Best Buy installed a 4806v and it never worked correctly. I made them remove everything after the 3rd trip.
Thanks
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Posted: January 16, 2015 at 5:04 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote kreg357

2002 Silverado with Viper 5806 and DB-ALL2 flashed with 4.02 GM5 Ver 3.12.106a firmware.

Assumptions : Gasoline engine, factory door locks, going with D2D between Viper & DB-ALL2.
There is no need for the 451M door lock module, the DB-ALL2 will handle the locks and alarm via it's connection to the J1850
Data wire at the OBD2 connector.

          Pin Color          Description     Destination

MH   1 Red      (+)12VDC Constant Input      Red  (+)  @ ignition harness
MH   2 Black             (-) Chassis Ground      Chassis Ground
MH   3 Brown            (+) Siren Output       Viper siren
MH   4 WHITE/ Brown     Parking light isolation        Not Used
MH   5 White             Parking light output BCM Gray Connector, Brown wire, pin 6 (+)     * Set jumper to (+)
MH   6 Orange          (-)500mA Ground when armed         Not used

DL   1 Blue (-)500mA Unlock output            Not used - handled via D2D

DL   2 EMPTY 
DL   3 Green (-)500mA Lock output Not used - handled via D2D

RS   1 NC 

RS   2 RED / Black   (+) Fused 12V acc/start input          RED / White  (+) @ ignition harness
RS   3 Pink/Black  (+) Flex relay input 87a key side     Not used
RS   4 Pink/White  (+) Ignition 2/flex relay output         White (+) @ ignition harness
RS   5 Red   (+) Fused 12V Ignition 1 Input      Red  (+) @ ignition harness
RS   6 Green   (+) Starter Input (key side)       Yellow (+) @ ignition harness     cut wire
RS   7 Violet   (+)Start output (car side)           Yellow (+) @ ignition harness     cut wire
RS   8 Orange       (+) Accessory output          Orange (+) @ ignition harness
RS   9 RED / White  (+) Fused 12V Ignition 2     RED / White  (+) @ ignition harness
RS  10 Pink  (+) Ignition 1 Input/output  Pink (+) @ ignition harness

AST   1 Pink/White   (-) 200mA Ignition 2/flex Output           not used

AST   2 Blue/White   (-) 200mA 2nd Status/rear defog output          not used
AST   3 RED / White    (-) 200mA trunk release output not used
AST   4 BLACK / YELLOW   (-) 200mA dome light output              not used
AST   5 Dark Blue    (-) 200mA status output           Not used - handled via D2D
AST   6 WHITE/ Black   (-) 200mA AUX 3 output        not used
AST   7 WHITE/ Violet   (-) 200mA AUX 1 output        not used
AST   8 ORANGE / Black   (-) 200mA AUX 4 output      not used
AST   9 Gray (-) Hood pin input (NC or NO)             to kit supplied hood pin
AST   10 Blue (-) trunk pin/instant trigger input (NC or NO)      not used
AST   11 WHITE/ Blue   Activation Input         not used
AST   12 Violet/White   Tachometer input                 Not used - handled via D2D
AST   13 BLACK/ White   (-) neutral safety/parking brake input            Not used - handled via D2D ( E-Brake ? )
AST   14 GREEN/ Black   (-) 200mA Factory alarm disarm output       Not used - handled via D2D
AST   15 Green (-) Door input        Not used - handled via D2D
AST   16 BROWN / Black   (-) 200mA horn honk output optional ( already have Viper siren )
AST   17 Pink (-) 200mA Ignition 1 output     not used
AST   18 Violet (+) Door input           not used
AST   19 Violet/Black   (-) 200mA AUX 2 output      not used
AST   20 Brown (+) Brake shutdown input    White (+)  @ brake pedal switch
AST   21 Violet / YELLOW   (-) 200mA starter output    not used
AST   22 Gray/Black   (-) Diesel wait to start input not used
AST   23 Orange (-) 200mA accessory output       to extra relay Pin 85 ( for Brown ACC2 wire )
AST   24 GREEN / WHITE   (-) 200mA factory alarm arm output Not used - handled via D2D

DB-ALL2

D2D harness to Viper

Blue 14 Pin Plug

Pin 2 Violet / YELLOW to OBD2 Pin 2 Violet

Red 12 Pin Plug

Pin 1 BLACK/ White to Tan (-)  @ BCM, purple plug, pin B4
Pins 8 & 9 to Yellow Passlock2 wire at steering column harness

Black 10 Pin Plug

Pin 8 Violet to Viper     RS   Pin 7  thick Violet (+) Start output
Pin 9 Pink to Viper       RS   Pin 10  thick Pink  (+) Ignition 1 Input/output 

Extra relay ( 8617 ) for ACC2 :

Pin 85 to Viper    AST   Pin 23 Orange (-) 200mA accessory output
Pin 86 and 87 to Red  (+) @ ignition harness through 25 amp fuse
Pin 30 to Brown ACC2 @ ignition harness
Pin 87a not used

The DB-ALL2 must be flashed with the above specified firmware.  Here is a link to the install guide :

http://www.xpresskit.com/DocumentDownload.aspx?documentid=9294&productid=553&firmwareid=6501
Follow the Type 4 diagram / instructions.  You will need an XKLoader2 cable to flash the DB-ALL2.

There will be some programming changes necessary for the Viper.  Things like Transmission Type, Engine Checking,

etc.

Preemptive excuses :  Viper is not one of my normal brands.  I have never used a DB-ALL2 bypass module.

Soldering is fun!
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Posted: January 16, 2015 at 7:46 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote mcbride66
Thank You so much for the quick response. I didn't realize the dball 2 would handle vehicles with positive door locks without the 451M. Perhaps that was the problem with the best buy install. The guy had the 451m as part of the system with nothing but problems including unlocking the doors during remote start for 10 seconds before relocking. I really appreciate the info.
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Posted: January 17, 2015 at 10:41 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote mcbride66
I have one more question. Can you please tell me if I need any type of resistor for this setup? I'm going to try install Monday and I just want to make sure I haven't missed anything. Wish I could find someone in my area for professional install. After the Best Buy nightmare I decided to try it myself. Looking over my vehicle wiring I can't see any sign that the installer cut into the Passlock 2 yellow wire. Perhaps that's the reason the factory alarm kept activating upon remote start. Anyway thanks again for all your help
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Posted: January 18, 2015 at 4:21 AM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote kreg357

No extra resistors necessary.

The Passlock2 system and the Factory Alarm system are two separate systems.  The Passlock2 not being bypassed correctly

shouldn't cause the Factory Alarm to trigger.  There are several places where the installer could tag the Yellow Passlock2 wire.

Personally, I prefer to use a data style Passlock2 only bypass module, not a fully featured bypass module on those trucks and

then hardwire the rest.  As the Pictorial shows, a 451M wired to the door locks and the R/S directly controlling the Disarm wire
is the most straight forward way to do it.  It would appear that the DB-ALL2 should handle the trucks' Factory Alarm with it's
Smart OEM Alarm Control.  There are some DB-ALL2 programming options for that and the Viper has options for Safelock,
too.  Worst case scenario, you could connect the Vipers' Disarm Output wire to the trucks' Light Green Disarm wire @ the BCM,
as shown in the Pictorial.

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Posted: January 20, 2015 at 11:42 AM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote mcbride66
I'm going to try the setup you posted with dball2 first. Flash firmware 402.GM5 3.05 published was my only programming choice. If dball2 doesn't handle the (+) door locks without 451m & control the factory alarm correctly, then I will try your suggestion for Passlock2 only bypass module.
Q: Yellow Starter1 wire @ ignition harness is the correct one to cut?
     (BB installer stripped an opening for connection but didn't cut the wire)   The thick yellow wire @ ignition harness is untouched and I would like to know what it's for. Since the passlock2 wire is also yellow I'm going to trace it from ignition switch just to be safe. Thanks........2002 Chevy Silverado LT
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Posted: January 20, 2015 at 5:23 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote kreg357

The Starter wire is pictured on Page 1.  It is similar in gauge to the White IGN2 wire, not as thick as the Pink, Orange or Brown wires.

But definitely thicker than the Yellow Passlock2 wire and it originates from a different connector.  Think there is a picture of the Passlock2
wires later in the Pictorial ( Page 2 ).  It should be real easy to distinguish between them visually but using a DMM will be very definitive, too.

The Yellow Starter wire does not have to be cut if you don't want the Starter Kill / Anti-Grind features.  Just connect the Viper Violet directly

to it and don't use the Viper Green wire.

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Posted: January 22, 2015 at 7:27 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote mcbride66
Took me all day but I have the 5806 & dball2 in place. I have triple checked everything just to make sure before I complete the hookup. I pretty much understand everything except the relay 8617. Can you please tell me why 86 & 87 requires +12 volt hookup? Thanks
2002 Chevy Silverado
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Posted: January 23, 2015 at 8:34 AM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote kreg357

The relay is basically a switch.  In your case, the +12V applied to Pin 87 goes nowhere until the relay's coil is energized.  Once the coil

is energized, Pin 87 is internally connected to Pin 30 and the 12V signal on Pin 87 is output to the vehicle on Pin 30. 

The relay's coil has two pins.  By convention, Pin 85 receives a negative input and Pin 86 receives a (+) input.  For your application, we

applied a +12V constant signal on Pin 86.  When the Viper outputs a (-) Accessory Output to Pin 85, the relays coil energizes. 

Being as Pin 86 and 87 need the same +12V signal, we joined them together.  There is a pretty good section on Relays on this site.

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Posted: January 28, 2015 at 11:29 AM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote mcbride66
I just wanted to say thank you for all your help. Everything works ok except the OEM Alarm. Shutdown after remote start triggers the factory alarm. If I change to safelock it won't trigger the alarm but the doors unlock during remote start and relock after truck has cranked. Gonna try the (-) 200mA factory alarm disarm output to light green disarm wire on truck. It's a straight hookup without any resistors or relay right?
Thanks again, Ray
2002 Chevy Silverado
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