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dedlyjedly 
Copper - Posts: 94
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Posted: November 22, 2004 at 4:16 PM / IP Logged  

oh-by the way, you must have told ol' calvin you had just over 400 bucks in your pocket and he got every cent he could.  the kdc-mp625 is almost identical on bestbuy's website @$279.99.

AND...the highly sought after excelon equivalent of this model woudl be the kdc-x679 and I sell this in my store all day long at $349.99 w/ installation labor.

plus, on the excelon you get...3 sets 5 volt/80 ohm preouts, 24 bit burrbrown processing, parametric equalization, more crossover frequencies, and a 2 year warranty.

lets see that on your nak, blau, eclipse, alpine, pioneer, clarion, fosgate, jvc, pana, or sony @ the price point.  you won't!

MECP certified, 5yrs experience, you probably otta listen bitch!!
Ravendarat 
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Posted: November 22, 2004 at 4:31 PM / IP Logged  
OK, I gotta get back into to this. This is why I hate ebay. It totally destroys peoples perception of retail. Xtimx lives in Canada so he is dealing in Canadian Dollars. The Kenwood deck in question does infact have a retail of 480 Canadian. He bought from an AUTHORIZED LOCAL DEALER, something that to me is worth a lot. If he has a problem he just has to take a trip down to the local store to get a hand (even though I think the particular shop he is dealing with is shady). The Salesman he is talking to is someone I know personally and very customer driven. Obviously he needs to make his paycheck, but he in no way screwed over the customer in question. When you guys start comparing products offered on Ebay to retail stores than of course the price  in the stores is almost always going to be more. Its because it costs alot more money to deal products out of a store than online. If you own a store then you must pay staff, building rent, power, gas, water, property tax etc. This is why the products are worth more. Someone who sells online has the cost of his computer and packaging. So basically everything he makes above cost is profit. There are some e-sellers that are exceptions but for the most part they are exactly that, an artificial dealer. Most have very little customer service, have little actual information if you have a question about a product, cant usually tell you any info thats not printed on the damn box, cant go out to your car and tell you if what you are looking at is the best for your situation, doesnt have to face you so they are generally shameless, if you have a problem it is a way bigger problem to deal with some one who is 2000 miles away as opposed to a five minute drive, and finally wont offer any help on the install side of things. I gaurentee you that if XTimx has a problem setting something like the clock on his deck, he can run down to the store and the salesperson will be more than happy to go out and help him out, regardless of whether or not its minus 30 out. If he bought it online he could email the seller and its a good bet the response would be something along the lines of " Read your manual". Also if he wants  a second opinion on his amp settings or if he has it set and wants help because it doesnt sound quite right, the salesman will be willing to go out to the car and give it a listen and give him advice if he has any, the e-seller cannot provide this service. Finally if he puts that amp in his car and it doesnt preform as well as what he thought it would he can probally go back and trade that amp in and buy a better amp and just return the old one, some e-sellers will do that but almost all say that once its installed it cant be returned for any reason and even if you can you have to deal with shipping times and the possibility of lost packages in the mail. And if the salesman is not willing to do everything I just said than he should go buy a computer and start selling on ebay, because he is usless to me. Im done with this
double-secret reverse-osmosis speaker-cone-induced high-level interference distortion, Its a killer
Ravendarat 
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Posted: November 22, 2004 at 4:39 PM / IP Logged  
I cant believe that you are gonna compare a nak deck to a kenwood deck. I have no problem with kenwood, it has its place in the food chain, but is no where near the level of a nak. If you wanna dispute this do a very simple and very telling test. Throw the manuals out the window and listen to them side by side. The Nak will sound better every time and thats what matters in the end as far as I am concerned. I agree that the kenwood deck has way more options, I personally feel that nak decks look far better than ANY deck kenwood has ever produced. I have done the side by side, I suggest you do the same. BTW I am MECP certified and have about 5 years experience as well so I am not some kid with not clue. I suggest you try this some time.
double-secret reverse-osmosis speaker-cone-induced high-level interference distortion, Its a killer
dedlyjedly 
Copper - Posts: 94
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Posted: November 22, 2004 at 4:51 PM / IP Logged  

raven-   as a mobile electronics store manager i couldnt agree more with all of your points on the added customer service @ a bricks-and-mortar establishment,  but regardless of this added benefit to the customer, tim was overcharged for this unit.

uthinkuknow-  or i mean "ithinkiknow", how about the sony mobile es cdx-c90, or without a doubt the alpine f#1 status piece would blow the nak out the water as far as sound q specs.  these are both very pricy units as im sure the nak 700ii is.  the excelons start with 24 bit processing @ a $259 full msrp on the kdc-x579.  and on top of all this i dont feel like im operating and looking at a pos.  i'll be honest, that nak looks like the back-of-my-balls.  i will admit that i havent seen the backside in quite sometime, but i gaurantee ya, it aint pretty

MECP certified, 5yrs experience, you probably otta listen bitch!!
Ravendarat 
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Posted: November 22, 2004 at 5:00 PM / IP Logged  

I think going by looks is a very bad idea because that is strictly a personal preference. As I said I think the Nak units look far better than the kenwood decks. Like I said Canadian retail lists the deck at 80 dollars higher than what he paid so I feel he didnt get screwed. I can also say that, while i wont say exactly what it is, I do know that that stores cost on that deck is just over 300 dollars canadian so if they made 25% than thats a fair deal.

double-secret reverse-osmosis speaker-cone-induced high-level interference distortion, Its a killer
customsuburb 
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Posted: November 22, 2004 at 7:25 PM / IP Logged  

Kenwood = middle of the line = you can do better for the money, unless all you want is dancing animations and a 40000 EQ bands and uneeded adjustments.

uthinkuknoaudio 
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Posted: November 22, 2004 at 7:34 PM / IP Logged  
I agree with you ravenderat, Nak is in another league than Kenwood. Those specs mean crap when you sit them down side by side. I LOVE the way Nak HU's look, because kenwoods and all those other flashy things are screaming STEAL ME!! And for those of you who were on here yesterday we heard about how some guy got his stuff stolen! Nak hu's look like a stock unit or they can, because they have special options on them that you can manually adjust. I know not of this head unit that is an alpine that can beat a 700ii, and i highly doubt it lives up to the hype. I bet if you sat it down next to the 700ii, the nak would whoop its but like a stepchild. Here are the specs for the Nak: what do you think of this set up? - Page 3 -- posted image.
Preamplifier section
 
Frequency Response
15 - 30,000 Hz ±1 dB (AUX to Pre Out)
Total Harmonic Distortion
0.001% (1 kHz)
AUX Input Level/Impedance
1 V/10 kohms
CDC Input Level/Impedance
1 V/10 kohms
Output Level
5 V Tone Controls
Bass
20 Hz ±12 dB
Mid
1 kHz ±9 dB
Treble
20 kHz ±6 dB
  
FM tuner section
 
Frequency Range
 
U.S.A
87.5 - 107.9 MHz in 100-kHz steps
Other Area
87.5 - 108.0 MHz in 50-kHz steps
Sensitivity
15 dBf (IHF)
Signal-to-Noise Ratio
60 dB (Mono)
Stereo Separation
35 dB
Antenna Input
75 ohms (Unbalanced)
  
AM tuner section
 
Frequency Range
U.S.A
530 - 1,710 kHz in 10-kHz steps
Other Area
531 - 1,602 kHz in 9-kHz steps
Sensitivity
32 dB
Signal-to-Noise Ratio
45 dB
  
CD player section
 
System
Compact Disc digital audio
Error Correction
CIRC Principle
Sampling Frequency
44.1 kHz
D/A Converter Type
24-bit D/A converter with 8-times oversampling digital filter
Frequency Response
20 - 20,000 Hz±1 dB
Signal-to-Noise Ratio
Better than 105 dB
Dynamic Range
Better than 100 dB
Total Harmonic Distortion
0.003% (1 kHz)
 
General
 
Power Source
14.4 V DC, negative ground
Current Consumption
2.5 A
Installation dimensions (W x H x D)
 
Main unit
178 x 50 x 159.5 mm
7 x 1-15/16 x 6-1/4 inches
Outer dimensions (W x H x D)
 
Main unit
178 x 46* x 177.8 mm
7 x 1-15/16* x 7 inches
Power supply unit
137 x 31.2 x 85 mm
5-3/8 x 1-1/4 x 3-3/8 inches
Mass
 
Main unit
Approx. 1.6 kg / 3 lbs. 8 oz.
Power supply unit
Approx. 0.5 kg / 1 lbs. 2 oz.
Now look at that sound q, that distortion level, that power rating at 5 volts that your so concerned about, and tell me that that Alpine can beat this, because if you do, your lying to yourself. This is by far the best head unit out. Undisputable. I love Sony's old hu's as well, but they still can't compare to nakamichi's...
"I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.
heavilymedicate 
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Posted: November 22, 2004 at 8:18 PM / IP Logged  

uthinkuknoaudio wrote:
This is by far the best head unit out. Undisputable.

What a foolish statement to make.  Thats comparable to someone running around screaming the W7 is the worlds greatest subwoofer.  I've got literature from professional reviewers stating things like "the best subwoofer I have ever heard." But so what I've got literature on the 9500 that says "... the MTX 9500 does it all."  Does it all?  As in does everything perfectly?  Beats the w7?  Or is the w7 'the best subwoofer you will ever hear?'  Hu?  Oh, mayyyyybe its subjective!  Mayyyybe what looks good on paper does not always translate into *sweet*, *perfect* sound?

And... FFS lets stop arguing about if Nak makes a better head unit then Kenwood, maybe I missed it but I dont think the guy who started the post asked if Nak was better then Kenwood.

Look, xTimx, given that you paid that in Canadian, I dont think you could have gotten much of a better deal.  You could have saved a few bucks, sounddomain or crutchfeild, or saved more on ebay or some other questionable place.  I think the people who are sl*gging off your kenwood are ridiculous, i stand by my statement that most people could not tell the difference between the two in a blind listening test.  Its not a bad headunit, and are YOU happy with it?

As far as the rest:  I dont like the 3.5 & coaxials, skip that and get a set of the best components you can afford (forget the 6x9's also, spend that money on other stuff for your system).  Use the kicks for the components upfront, try to get 6.5" components.  Im not very experienced with the MA's, how much are you looking at paying for them?  I can recommend the MTX 7500's, Alpine TypeR and JLw3 is the 200$ (US) per 12" price range.  Good luck, if you have other questions I would start another thread, as this one is contaminated.

What will you get for Christmas, bad boy? Coal........or Visonik?? - stevdart
Wow, is everyone clueless and lost in the dark? - uthinkuknoaudio
bumpingjeep 
Copper - Posts: 149
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Joined: September 12, 2004
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Posted: November 22, 2004 at 8:44 PM / IP Logged  
its only a good deal if you like what you got...and if you are happy then its not a bad deal...personally i don't think that anyone out there who feels the need to ask others what they think of a certain setup will notice the difference between two decks when running all interiors and subs included off of amps...deck power to interiors is another thing...but when you are talking amps...not so much...when you look at it that way...if you like the functionality and the cosmetics...then thats all that matters...if you are happy then i think your set up is perfect for you
uthinkuknoaudio 
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Posted: November 22, 2004 at 9:09 PM / IP Logged  

Well i said that because it has one every sound quality competition it that nakamichi has every competed it... Nothing even came close to the score that the 700ii had. And no, the W7 isn't the best woofer ever made. That is why it doesn't win every competiton, though it is a great woofer undisputably. Sorry, but Nak makes better head units than any kenwood out there! Wait till you listen to one and then comment back, because i have listened to all the kenwood one's myself.

"I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.
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