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paulieA 
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Posted: July 22, 2005 at 2:07 PM / IP Logged  

well, i guess its not a great problem here, but you can see that it may cause problems in some scenaro's.

Instead of a timer, it should be permenant until the locking circuit is turned to "lock".

The key fobs have "lock" and "unlock" on them, so i guess even though the car may well be in an "unlocked" state, pressing the unlock button again will activate the circuit by putting a pulse though it.

Anyone any ideas to beat this electronically?

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I don't want to wade through the 3 pages but this is what it sounds like will do the trick, basically open a second door without a physical switch.
How about you bypass all the bullshhh, buy an alarm that has progressive locks, don't hook the locks up at all, hook the first unlock to a relay that goes to the driver's door, hook the second unlock to a relay that goes to the passengers door. All this timer crap, this that or the other crap, or anything else is just rediculous. Buy a quality alarm that has progressive locks so that you hit unlock once the driver's door pops, hit it again and the passenger's door pops.
PS. A quality alarm will have a programable output that you can turn your radio on by the remote, that will take care of leaving the keys in the ign to turn the radio on.
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hi there. Im sorry if its sounding like rubbish, plus its just a bit of fun really, trying to solve a problem.

Over here in the UK, there must be a means to enter the car from the outside you see. You cant just have the door pop open from a remote key fob. There has to be something such as a button on the outside of the car.

Thats why im looking for a system that will allow the button on the outside to function once the car is unlocked, and not function when it is locked.

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paulieA wrote:

Over here in the UK, there must be a means to enter the car from the outside you see. You cant just have the door pop open from a remote key fob. There has to be something such as a button on the outside of the car.

Thats why im looking for a system that will allow the button on the outside to function once the car is unlocked, and not function when it is locked.

Ok, is the external means of entry enforced? If so how?
Second, the whole work when unlocked not when locked is also easily answered. Ground when armed.
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the law is enforced yes. In the UK with have a thing called a "MOT test" every year, which tests almost all aspects of the car to a set of rules, in regards to saftey. One of the laws is:

"There must be a obvious means of entry to the vehical from the outside". ie, a button on the door or door pillar. Now if there is a button, you only want it to open the door when the door is unlocked.

Could you help me with your suggestion of ground when armed through a simple diagram or explanation? Im looking for idea's as im fairly new to electronics.

Thanks!

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This is a simple diagram. Basically when your alarm is active the external switches are not.
Door popping circuit - Page 4 -- posted image.
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hi there.

Im sorry, i dont understand the diagram. I am new to electronics and am finding it difficult, thats why i thought id ask on here for the experts. I can only really understand from illustration.

I have drawn up this new diagram of what i have in my head at the moment.

Would you guys be able to add to my diagram, or draw up a new one for how the "Ground when armed" will work? I will be pleased if you can help.

Door popping circuit - Page 4 -- posted image.

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OK, just to clarify. You don't have door handles, why are you even using the locks??? Your battery will go dead and then you will be screwed, even if you have your black box to pop the door the door will still be locked!!!
Never mind, I give up. You are making everything more compicated then they have to be. I don't know I may do an entire system diagram later but I give up for now.
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paulieA wrote:

Im sorry, i dont understand the diagram. I am new to electronics and am finding it difficult, thats why i thought id ask on here for the experts. I can only really understand from illustration.

Relays
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ha ha.

I guess.... in a way... i dont have to actually lock the car. And as for just putting "Relays", thats all well and good but i have never actually used one before.

This was just an idea you know, gave me something to think about as i was trying to learn about electics and how things work. But i take your point, i dont really have to lock the doors.

Ok then, lets look at it this way. I wont have the doors locked. But i do still need a way for the button on the outside of the car to only work when the keyfob has been pressed. Can a basic diagram for this be drawn up so i know which wires to wire into the relay?

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