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icarus_icarus 
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Posted: November 14, 2005 at 5:59 PM / IP Logged  

To check the 'ground while RS' I should check voltage or resistance at the wire to ?? I don't remember how to check these things anymore :( Sorry if this sounds like a dumb questions, its been a long time since I played with these kinds of things and my memory is not good at all now :(

To address your one concern, I don't think the 'ground while RS' is opening when the module is off to start as if I hook that wire to a seperate relay by itself, then add 12V to the other side of the coil the relay does click on...

I did solder everything well, and made sure to double check the diode polarity etc...

icarus_icarus 
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Posted: November 14, 2005 at 6:01 PM / IP Logged  

oh, I did try with and without the oem defrost switch to no avail...

dualsport 
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Posted: November 14, 2005 at 6:20 PM / IP Logged  
Well, if that wire is pulling the relay coil to ground even when you're not in RS mode, then it's not going to work as planned.
In general, to see what a signal wire does, I'd start by first measuring its voltage, referenced to ground, to see if it puts out any voltage or acts strictly as a closure to ground. If you don't see any voltage in any conditions, then it should be safe to try putting your dmm in resistance mode and check for continuity to ground, again under all the various conditions.
I expected that "ground while RS" signal to show continuity to ground while in RS mode, and then go open circuit when it's disabled, but apparently that's not the case.
When you did your test on it with the separate relay, connected to the signal and 12V, hearing it click in, were you able to try a RS cycle to see if it clicked off at any point? Unlikely as it seems, maybe that output is bad too, like you found with your ACC output- it should at least toggle at some point; otherwise, it's kind of a useless signal, isn't it? Delayed relay output? - Page 8 -- posted image.
icarus_icarus 
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Posted: November 14, 2005 at 6:24 PM / IP Logged  

ok,

Without pressing the aux button : K1 (30)= 13.7V  & (86)=0.0V

When I press the aux button : K1 (30)=13.8V & (86)=1.2V

I tried measuring the 'ground while rs' wire and got only ~2mV when running and 0 when off... Tried resistance and got 'off scale' either way...

icarus_icarus 
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Posted: November 14, 2005 at 6:45 PM / IP Logged  

Both Acc relays I'm using are connected to the 'ground while rs' wire via diodes to isolate them and they seem to click on/off fine...

I tried again, this time not touching the leads with my hands! lol... and this time I got 0.0V at the 'ground while rs' wire when it is off and 2.2mV while running in rs... The resistance is 6.66Mohm (go figure!) while off and 'off the scale' while running...

icarus_icarus 
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Posted: November 14, 2005 at 6:47 PM / IP Logged  
...and the seperate relay would click on/off whether under RS or not if I put a constant 12V to the other side of coil...
icarus_icarus 
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Posted: November 14, 2005 at 6:51 PM / IP Logged  

...for the ground out wire, my meter read 2.2 on the 200m dc voltage range...

Why can't we edit posts here?! lol... At least give us one extra shot to get our posts right Delayed relay output? - Page 8 -- posted image.

dualsport 
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Posted: November 14, 2005 at 7:12 PM / IP Logged  
Yeah, it'd be nice to be able to edit- every time I'm about to click on the submit button, I feel like Regis just asked me, "Final Answer?" Delayed relay output? - Page 8 -- posted image. haw!
Hmmm- how many relays do you have hooked up to the GWRS signal? Might want to do a quick check to make sure you're not exceeding the current sinking capability of the output; since each of your heavy duty relays might be drawing quite a bit.
If you could find some other signal that only goes active when you're in RS mode, you can use that to control the latching relay.
In any case, that GWRS signal's not going to work out, if it clicks on your relay even when you're not in RS mode. Off to Plan C, I guess....
Delayed relay output? - Page 8 -- posted image.
icarus_icarus 
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Posted: November 14, 2005 at 8:16 PM / IP Logged  

I have three relays including the K1 in the diagram...

I'm glad your helping me out with this as I would have given up long ago, lol... Delayed relay output? - Page 8 -- posted image. Thank you!

dualsport 
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Posted: November 15, 2005 at 9:34 AM / IP Logged  
Probably okay with the three relays, but check what it says in your manual about that ground out signal, usually they'll give you a current rating.
If it's really become a "ground out all the time" signal, then you have to see why, and fix it, or look for some other control suitable for doing this timing.
Might use the RS ignition output, though then you'll have to get the big diodes for isolation from the regular ignition power as KPierson mentioned.
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