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Poormanq45 
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Posted: January 15, 2006 at 3:49 PM / IP Logged  
Ok, I've decreased my posting on this forum to nothing over the past few months due to the repetative topics created. Almost everything asked has been answered 20 times before.
But that's not what I'm here to say now. I'm annoyed by all the people that spew wattage and dB numbers without a single mention of THD/SQ(they say SQ, but have they measured it?)
I want to start a new trend. Instead of a 1k+ watt system that can hit 150dB, why don't we try for a 1/3 octave c-weighted +-3dB from 20~20khz at 80~90 dB.
IMO this would be MUCH "cooler" then having a system that has a +-30dB from 20~500hz with 10% THD.
I don't really care how much power you use to get to the "ruler flat" frequency response. Use whatever means necessary.
Unfortunately I know that this will NEVER happen due to the fact that you can throw together an all bass system capable of hitting 150dB for ~$500
I'd just like to see all these young people getting into our hobby be influenced the right way. SQ should be the number ONE goal of ANY system. SPL should come second to that. Unfortunately younger people are being mislead into believing that the louder it is, the better it is, no matter what.
I guess when you reach that 150dB distortion doesn't really matter because you can't hear anything at all
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Posted: January 15, 2006 at 4:00 PM / IP Logged  

Although I agree wtih you here, audio is simply a matter of taste, so you are right  you probably won't see any body spewing numbers about how flat their RTA readings are, but if you'd like you can meter my car.

Bass is fun, it's like fast cars, people are drawn to it. I still like big bass, but I MUCH prefer a well balanced, good sounding system.

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well said you are both right and thats how life is. they will find there way and if not ,they will be deaf from all that horrible noise.Lets start a new trend -- posted image.
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Posted: January 15, 2006 at 6:29 PM / IP Logged  

Poormanq45 wrote:
 
Unfortunately I know that this will NEVER happen due to the fact that you can throw together an all bass system capable of hitting 150dB for ~$500
I'd just like to see all these young people getting into our hobby be influenced the right way. SQ should be the number ONE goal of ANY system. SPL should come second to that. Unfortunately younger people are being mislead into believing that the louder it is, the better it is, no matter what.
I guess when you reach that 150dB distortion doesn't really matter because you can't hear anything at all
/resume lurker mode
Thats' why there are sq and spl competitions.

I also would like to know how you can "throw together an all bass system capable of hitting 150db for~$500"  If you can do it let me know, I know plenty of people who have "thrown together" an all bass sysem for no less than $2000, and still aren't capable of breaking 150 db on a term-lab meter!

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jeffchilcott 
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I will second that, we spent wuite a few moonts and well over $1500 to have a system that did over 150db.   153.5 to be exact.
That was on one battery and one alternator both in the factory locatation, and all equipment behind the strut towers.
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This year we will have an SQ car in the lanes as well, but whats next we will hear someone say I know people who can throw an SQ car together for less then $500
I know we are almost $2000 into the SQ car and we dont have any speakers yet.   And thats at My cost!
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Posted: January 15, 2006 at 8:02 PM / IP Logged  

Poormanq45 wrote:
try for a 1/3 octave c-weighted +-3dB from 20~20khz at 80~90 dB.

That's not a new trend, it's what I've done for years.  And as has been stated above, there is NO competition-level "thrown together" system possible for $500.  It's the kids who lie about their untested or non-standard test SPL numbers and who boast about their 2KW fake peak ratings in their $500 systems that clog up this and other boards with their BS.  Notice that none of the pros ever do that, unless they are asked (or unless the thread is about that.)

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Posted: January 18, 2006 at 3:38 PM / IP Logged  
i wanna kno were you figure you can put a system that is gonna hit 150 db together for 500 bux?
james048a 
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I have to agree, nothing like a good SQ system.
There is more fun and designing of a good SQ system then meer bass.
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I can't stand to sit in an all bass system, i have ears that are to well musically trained to tolerate it, especally cause most have the gains set way to high.
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Posted: January 19, 2006 at 2:41 PM / IP Logged  

A few thoughts.

I agree with Poorman, a lot of the top posters are not here as much. Ham Fist, Kgerry, Sedate, Alpine Guy, Paradigm and Auex. Don't see as much of these guys anymore. And where is Steven Kephart ?It does get boring answering the same questions, but that's kinda why we're here.

I've always equated SPL owners with having a slight " look at me " insecurity complex. But hey, I'll put it in if you'll pay for it.

Poorman, hang around, you are always good at stirring up the pot!

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