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Posted: January 19, 2006 at 3:48 PM / IP Logged  
I am not gonna lie to you guys.  I started in with the bass.  Spent $800 and hit 133db in competition, I know impressive.  I have however gained a ton of knowledge, mostly thanks to the great people in here that are always willing to offer help.  It is greatly appreciated.  I have now however moved more towards sound quality, which I am currently working on a car that probably won't ever compete but it is fun anyways.  A good sound setup is bit more tricky than just bass but I love a challenge.  Don't give up on everybody yet they might come around.  Just out of curiosity and having never cometed in SQ or read much into a judgeing but is it always c-weighted (80 phons)?
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Posted: January 19, 2006 at 4:04 PM / IP Logged  
I am 20 and know jack about all the SERIOUS SQ meterings and all that. but obviously I started out with wanting thump, like every teenager does. MY *bump* system got stolen, so having been doing wood work and construction for 6 years when I am not at school, I built a pretty good system for a 20 year old to have built. did all the calculations and built a box with a QTC of .752... I can simlate a big bigger with some fill, but decided I dont need it any closer to .707 I dont think. I know have a relatively pretty inexpensive system, but it sounds excelent to me. I wont ever build or buy a SPL system, SPL is a dumb game once you start listening to alright quality music. I DRIVE my car, lots, and I dont want to go deaf by the time im 40, and this is reasonable, dont need to worry about blowing parts, and investing tons more. all the big alternators or anything.
I dont even know how they test those SQ cars, I do know how they meter the SPL, but sq seems wierd to have metered in those Quality competitions. and well to sum it all up. SQ kicks some serious ass!
and to Tcss's comment...
I've always equated SPL owners with having a slight " look at me " insecurity complex. But hey, I'll put it in if you'll pay for it.
YES, agree completely! Whenever I drive around them $500 SPL hondas you can tell they do want you to look at there ghetto ass one hand on the wheel, practically sitting in the back seat of their two door car as the bumpers rattle off, cause they stare at you with there crooked hat.
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Posted: January 19, 2006 at 6:15 PM / IP Logged  

I've had the impression all along that graduating to SQ was the ultimate goal.  The most recognized responders in this forum have always been dedicated to putting forth the notion that everything done be done right.  And you know what?  When you put the effort it takes into making your enclosure right, in selecting speakers instead of settling for them, into finding out how and then doing a proper adjustment of amp gains, you're already halfway there.  No matter how loud the SPL is.

Eventually, with all the new knowledge and along with a great bunch of others ( the forum) who have the same interests, it becomes a hobby.  Then, SPL can become a fun project and SQ is what you listen to when you drive.  It's all good.

As far as Poorman's post, IMO:  Everybody tires of repitition.  The ones who know the most and are actively involved in this as daily work are the ones who can, and do, give the most valuable input.  But how they do it, I don't know.  Work all day, help again by internet.  That's real dedication (and I won't list names but appreciate what I have learned from you).  The ones who want to initially post the most are the ones who are learning while doing...I am one of those.  It's less tiresome and repetitive when you can learn something that you can apply.  Even then, the questions don't change much.  But then you have to ask yourself, "...but why should the questions change because I've grown?"  Which is why there is eventually a burnout time for everybody.

Everybody, to the person, who is a frequent poster on this forum is a communicator.  We like to get involved with other people who share the same interest.  Most of us can't find that in our everyday lives and so we use a forum.  And when a good forum is found, and it's active as hell like this one, you've got your opening.  Try to find someone in MY everyday existance who knows or cares very much about this world...not enough to get into any kind of a real conversation with, that's for sure.

....dinner's ready.  We're going to talk about the weird girl my wife works with...    ;)

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kirktcashalini 
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how philosophical Lets start a new trend - Page 2 -- posted image.
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Posted: January 19, 2006 at 10:19 PM / IP Logged  
tcss wrote:

I agree with Poorman, a lot of the top posters are not here as much. Ham Fist, Kgerry, Sedate, Alpine Guy, Paradigm and Auex. Don't see as much of these guys anymore. And where is Steven Kephart ?It does get boring answering the same questions, but that's kinda why we're here.

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oxygen65 
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Posted: January 19, 2006 at 11:09 PM / IP Logged  
no one answered my question of were or what subs and amps you can put together to hit 150 db for $500 , someone just said they spent $800 and only hit 133 db so i dont get how you can figure $500 can put together a system that hits 150 db
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Posted: January 20, 2006 at 12:27 AM / IP Logged  

oxygen65 wrote:
no one answered my question of were or what subs and amps you can put together to hit 150 db for $500 , someone just said they spent $800 and only hit 133 db so i dont get how you can figure $500 can put together a system that hits 150 db

I don't think that's the point of this thread, perhpas you could start a new topic on it.

stevdart wrote:
As far as Poorman's post, IMO:  Everybody tires of repitition.  The ones who know the most and are actively involved in this as daily work are the ones who can, and do, give the most valuable input.  But how they do it, I don't know.  Work all day, help again by internet.  That's real dedication (and I won't list names but appreciate what I have learned from you).  The ones who want to initially post the most are the ones who are learning while doing...I am one of those.  It's less tiresome and repetitive when you can learn something that you can apply.  Even then, the questions don't change much.  But then you have to ask yourself, "...but why should the questions change because I've grown?"  Which is why there is eventually a burnout time for everybody

Yet again stevdart you so eloquently laid it on the table, well put (the entire response actually). There are times when the forum slows and the questions become redundant but these questions are still valid because they are genuine and they should be answered just like the ones before it. There are times when I come home from working on cars all f'ing day and at that point I don't even want to think about bloody car stereos, but I find it relaxing satisfying to help and learn, more.   

tcss wrote:
 

I agree with Poorman, a lot of the top posters are not here as much. Ham Fist, Kgerry, Sedate, Alpine Guy, Paradigm and Auex. Don't see as much of these guys anymore. And where is Steven Kephart ?It does get boring answering the same questions, but that's kinda why we're here.

Hey, people do have lives outside of the forumLets start a new trend - Page 2 -- posted image. (except me), I know Haem has been dead busy at work, I believe sedate is busy with school, and auex is full of it!

So, whether you still wanna go around bangin your ish, or you want to indulge yourself in concert hall quality sound reproduction, all the power to you!

speedwayaudio1 
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Posted: January 20, 2006 at 8:59 AM / IP Logged  
my 2 cents says sq is in the ear of the listener. I have heard some crazy loud crap that the kid thought  was the best  thing since white bread. Me I like sq, but I like some power behind it and some good bass, so I guess I'm in the middle somewhere. I would guess that most of us are. to be a true sq purist would seem to be kinda dull to me. to be a spl purist would seem pointless to me. I understand compitions and stuff, but for a daily driver I can't see it for me. as always your results may differLets start a new trend - Page 2 -- posted image. 
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Posted: January 20, 2006 at 9:50 AM / IP Logged  
well said stevdart, myself being new to mobile electronics as well as this forum. But the help and extensive knowledge of the experienced members of this forum I know 3 times what I new before I began reading and posting here. I too grow tired of SPL and what not, but too each his own and a huge thank you to allLets start a new trend - Page 2 -- posted image.
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Posted: January 20, 2006 at 10:15 AM / IP Logged  
tcss wrote:
Poorman, hang around, you are always good at stirring up the pot!
Can do. For some reason everytime I notice that the gears are spinning constantly I have to find a wrench to throw into themLets start a new trend - Page 2 -- posted image.
I'll try to stick around, but the spring semester has started, and I started a new job. So I'll try to keep my wrenches handy at all times
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