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avistart 4100, ’06 vibe, accessory wire?


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12 VOLT CONSTANT  Connect to BATTERY ONLY     
 STARTER RED (+)  IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS   
 STARTER 2 N/A   
 IGNITION 1 BLACK/ WHITE (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS  
 IGNITION 2 BLACK / YELLOW (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS   
 IGNITION 3 N/A     
 ACCESSORY /HEATER BLOWER 1 BLUE/RED (+)  IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
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I connected the two red wire with the 30A fuses to the black (heavy gauge) wire in the ignition harness. The manual suggested that I make connection there.
From Install Guide:
        "Since the factory supplies (+) 12V to the key switch that is used to operate the motor, it is recommended that these wires be connected there."
After more testing:
When the car is running in remote start mode the radio works (via blue/red wire??) and dash lights, a/c, blower, etc do not work. When 12V is applied to the BLACK / YELLOW (ignition harness) the car shuts down.
When the car is started and running by using the key the BLACK / YELLOW wire has 12V on it and the dash lights, a/c, blower, etc work fine.
Why does all that stuff work fine with the key (work normal) but when in remote start mode and 12V is applied to the BLACK / YELLOW wire does the car shutdown?
Too much current draw through alarm module?
I was thinking about trying to rig up a fused wire and go straight from the battery to the BLACK / YELLOW wire when in remote start mode and see if it stays running.
Is there a reason the remote start should not work when 12V is applied to the BLACK / YELLOW wire?
Thanks for the continued help/support through this.
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http://www.illformedpragma.com/matrix/reference/repair_manuals/2003/Wiring%20Manual/systemci/012ps.pdf

Read this schematic again (if you didn't the first time) page two (2)

...notice there is a white wire (AM1) and a black wire (heavy gauage AM2) ---> the white wire powers blue/red and BLACK / YELLOW and the black wire powers BLACK/ white and red.

So the two circuits are powered separately (white = accessory and igntion_1) (black = igntion_2 and starter)

At this point, I would run a separate line from the battery  -- don't worry about running it through the firewall yet --- and let this power both your red module power wires (with the 30A fuses).  Let me know if this solves your problem. 

I wouldn't mess w/ the BLACK / YELLOW ignition wire the way you were suggesting.

Also --> check AM1 and AM2 fuses under the hood (25A and 15A respectively) 

Also --> check BOTH fuses in the red module wires (30A fuses) .. make sure these both are ok and one isn't blown.

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"When 12V is applied to the BLACK / YELLOW (ignition harness) the car shuts down."  - how did you apply 12 volts to the BLACK / YELLOW? Did you just manually apply the 12 volts to this BLACK / YELLOW after the car was remote started?
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According the the schematic

< color=#810081>http://www.illformedpragma.com/matrix/reference/repair_manuals/2003/Wiring%20Manual/systemci/012ps.pdf

the BLACK / YELLOW is responsible for heater, defrost, a/c ...

the blue/red does the radio and cigarette lighter adapter (radio isn't listed on the above schematic, it's pages later in the service manual)

All the BLACK / YELLOW wire does is provide the 12volts+ to the coil of a relay (see schematic) that allows power to run through a circuit that powers heater,defrost, a/c, ECU, washer, wiper front and back.  I imagine that b/c when you apply 12volts to this relay (BLACK / YELLOW) and provide the ECU more power... it shuts the engine off for whatever reason.  Be careful with testing this BLACK / YELLOW wire b/c you could fry your ECU -- $$$$;  Either your r/s brain is defective or something is fishy with your install and you're missing something.

One more thing you can try:

Relay power to that BLACK / YELLOW wire (and disconnect the pink/white [ r/s module] from the BLACK / YELLOW wire)

85: connect to Vibe BLACK/ white wire

86: chassis ground

30: 12 volts fused +

87a: BLACK / YELLOW wire on Vibe

This will insure that 12 volts is sent exactly at the same time to IGN1 as to IGN2 wire on the Vibe.

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I think I will try to connect a separate relay to supply 12V to the BLACK / YELLOW wire as you suggest...just to see if that works. I will have to pick up a relay, fuse holder, and heavier gauge wire tomorrow, so I will let you know Friday what happens. Thanks.
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Check all those fuses too -- make sure both heavy gauge red wire fuses (30A each)  off the avital module are in tact. Good luck
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Posted: May 18, 2007 at 2:05 PM / IP Logged  
All fuses checked ok.
I ran two direct power cables from the battery to the two red fused lines going into the r/s module. I than setup a relay with the following configuration:
85: connect to Vibe BLACK/ white wire
86: chassis ground
30: 12 volts fused +
87a: BLACK / YELLOW wire on Vibe
It still does the same thing, when you r/s start the car and there is 12V applied to the BLACK / YELLOW wire in the ignition harness the car does not start. Once I unplugged the relay from the BLACK / YELLOW wire the car will remote start fine (except no accessories).
I am at a loss...I think I have tried all options by now...anymore suggestions?
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peterubers,
Your explanations of what you are doing are perfectly clear, and it sounds like your install is set up exactly as I (and my co-workers) have done hundreds, if not more, of these cars.
It's very interesting, and confusing!
Just one last guess. Are you using tach or voltage sensing? If you're using voltage sense, it's possible that the blower motor pulls enough current to drop the car's voltage, thereby shutting the remote starter down.
Are you testing all this with the blower way up on high, and is the air conditioner on? If so, try it with AC off, and blower on low or off.
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Posted: May 18, 2007 at 6:48 PM / IP Logged  
I am using the tach sensing setting.
All accessories are off when trying to r/s.
I am at wits end...I can't understand why having the 12V on the BLACK / YELLOW wire would keep the car from remote starting?
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