2010 acura tsx viper 4704

I am doing my first remote starter install and I would like someone to take a look at my wiring plan. I am comfortable soldering and pulling the car apart, my only real concern is what the purpose of the wires are and how I am interpreting the instructions. I have the wiring diagram below, I prioritized information first on the Viper wiring, then put the information on the iDataLink then the TSX has the least amount of information on it. If anyone has any information, suggestions or thinks I should use different equipment let me know. What gauge wire should I use for the install? Keep in mind I will be using a common 12V and ground, also I will be using my own wire and relay for the starter. All relays have N400X diode between 85 and 86, stripe towards positive 86. 2010 Acura TSX Wiring https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp~TID~122599 Viper 4704 manual http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.12voltdistributors.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F09%2FViper_4704V_Installation_Guide.pdf&ei=QUaMUYeYLIONygHVxYDABg&usg=AFQjCNGtTXubc4jN4DNGyae3aUYKYn8LZw&sig2=rZIgX4ZdYtsDIYyFCb2Z_A&bvm=bv.46340616,d.aWc iDataLink ADS-AL CA http://cdncontent2.idatalink.com/corporate/Content/Manuals/DL-HA3/ADS-AL(DL)-HA3-EN_20130305.pdf TSX IGNITION SWITCH, (WHITE, 5-Pin Plug) Pin 2, 12V Constant, 50 amp: Inline 50 amp fuse then use for all 12V Can I use this for all 12V in the install? IGNITION SWITCH, (WHITE, 5-Pin Plug) Pin 1, YELLOW (+), STARTER: Cut wire, key side to 87a, car side to 30 IGNITION SWITCH, (WHITE, 5-Pin Plug) Pin 5, BLUE (+), IGNITION 1: To Viper IGNITION SWITCH, (WHITE, 5-Pin Plug) Pin 3, ORANGE (+), ACCESSORY /HEATER BLOWER 1: To viper IGNITION SWITCH, (WHITE, 5-Pin Plug) Pin 4, RED (+), ACCESSORY /HEATER BLOWER 2: To viper with flex relay Immobilizer , pin 2,,Ignition +: To iDataLink Immobilizer , pin 3,Dark Blue,CAN low: To iDataLink Immobilizer , pin 4,Pink,CAN high: To iDataLink Immobilizer , pin 6,Green,Immobilizer Data: To iDataLink HEADLIGHT SWITCH, (BLACK/ WHITE, 12-Pin Plug) Pin 11, GRAY (-), PARKING LIGHTS ( - ): To viper Drivers dash fuse box, 33 pin plug, pin 23, Lt Green, Horn: To viper Drives fuse box, 20 pin plug, pin 3, Lt Green, Trunk: To Trunk relay, 30 Create a ground wire with a bolt Viper 4704 Main Harness (H1), 6-pin connector H1/1,RED,(+)12VDC CONSTANT INPUT: To 12V H1/2,BLACK,(-) CHASSIS GROUND: To: Ground H1/3,BROWN,(-) 200mA HORN HONK OUTPUT: To Drivers dash fuse box, 33 pin plug, pin 23,Lt Green H1/4,WHITE/ BROWN,LIGHT FLASH ISOLATION WIRE - PIN 87a light flash relayH1/: H1/5,WHITE,PIN 30 of LIGHT FLASH RELAY: To HEADLIGHT SWITCH, (BLACK/ WHITE, 12-Pin Plug) Pin 11,GRAY (-),PARKING LIGHTS ( - ) H1/6,ORANGE,500 mA GROUND WHEN ARMED OUTPUT: Starter relay 85 Auxiliary/Shutdown Harness (H2), 24-pin connector H2/1,PNK/WHITE,(-) 200mA FLEX RELAY CONTROL OUTPUT: H2/2,BLACK/ WHITE,(-) NEUTRAL SAFETY INPUT: To iDataLink 10/9, Green, E-Brake Status - Output H2/3,BLUE/WHITE,(-) 200mA 2ND STATUS /REAR DEFOGGER OUTPUT: To defog relay, pin 85 Does this latch or pulse? H2/4,GREEN/ BLACK ,(-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM DISARM OUTPUT: To iDataLink 10/4,Brown,Disarm - input H2/5,RED / WHITE,(-) 200mA TRUNK RELEASE OUTPUT: To Trunk relay, pin 85 H2/6,GREEN,(-) DOOR INPUT*: To iDataLink 3/2,Yellow/Black, Door Status - Output Is iDataLink NC or NO? H2/7,BLACK / YELLOW,(-) 200mA DOME LIGHT OUTPUT: H2/8,EMPTY,------------------------------------: H2/9,DARK BLUE,(-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT: To iDataLink 4/1,Blue/White, GWR - input Does this ground before ignition? What is menu 3/11 saying? I copied it below the wiring diagrams. H2/10,PINK,(-) 200mA IGNITION 1 OUTPUT: H2/11,WHITE/ BLACK,(-) 200mA AUX 3 OUTPUT: H2/12,VIOLET,(+) DOOR INPUT: H2/13,WHITE/ VIOLET,(-) 200mA AUX 1 OUTPUT: H2/14,VIOLET/BLACK,(-) 200mA AUX 2 OUTPUT: H2/15,ORANGE / BLACK,(-) 200mA AUX 4 OUTPUT: H2/16,BROWN,(+) BRAKE SHUTDOWN INPUT: To iDataLink 6/2,Grey/White, Brake + Output H2/17,GRAY,(-) HOOD PIN INPUT (NC OR NO: To iDataLink,3/1,Yellow,Hood Status - Output Should this be NC or NO for iDataLink? H2/18,VIOLET / YELLOW,(-) 200mA STARTER OUTPUT: Clutch relay, pin 85 H2/19,BLUE**,FACTORY HORN INPUT (Use Jumper to set polarity): H2/20,GRAY/BLACK ,(-) DIESEL WAIT TO START INPUT: H2/21,WHITE/ BLUE,ACTIVATION INPUT: H2/22,ORANGE,(-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT: H2/23,VIOLET/WHITE,TACHOMETER INPUT: To iDataLink 10/10,PURPLE / White, Tach (AC) - Output: H2/24,GREEN / WHITE,(-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM ARM OUTPUT: To iDataLink 10/1,GREEN/ Black, Lock/Arm - input Not confident I need to do this Remote Start (H3), 8-pin connector H3/1,PINK,(+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT: To IGNITION SWITCH, (WHITE, 5-Pin Plug) Pin 5,BLUE (+) ,IGNITION 1 H3/2,RED / WHITE,+12V FUSED (30A) IGNITION 2/FLEX RELAY INPUT: To 12V H3/3,ORANGE,(+) ACCESSORY OUTPUT: To IGNITION SWITCH, (WHITE, 5-Pin Plug) Pin 3 ,ORANGE (+) , ACCESSORY /HEATER BLOWER 1 H3/4,VIOLET,(+) STARTER OUTPUT: To Starter relay, car side, pin 30 H3/5,RED,+12V FUSED (30A) IGNITION 1 INPUT: To 12V H3/6,PINK/WHITE,IGNITION 2/FLEX RELAY OUTPUT: To IGNITION SWITCH, (WHITE, 5-Pin Plug) Pin 4 ,RED (+) , ACCESSORY /HEATER BLOWER 2 Program flex relay to close with accessory H3/7,PINK/BLACK,FLEX RELAY INPUT 87a (IF REQUIRED) OF FLEX RELAY: H3/8,RED / BLACK,+12V FUSED (30A) ACCESSORY/STARTER INPUT: To 12V Door Lock, 3-pin connector 1,BLUE,(-) 500mA UNLOCK OUTPUT: To iDataLink 10/2,Blue/Black,Unlock - input 2,EMPTY,NOT USED: 3,GREEN ,(-) 500mA LOCK OUTPUT: To iDataLink 10/1, GREEN/ Black, Lock/Arm - input iDataLink (counterclockwise, top left corner) 4/1,Blue/White,GWR - input: To Viper, H2/9, Status Output Is this right? The iDataLink needs ground before ignition. 4/2 4/3,Black,Ground: To Ground 4/4,Red,12V+: 12V 10/1,GREEN/ Black,Lock/Arm - input: To Viper 10/2,Blue/Black,Unlock - input: To Viper 10/3,RED / White,Trunk - input 10/4,Brown,Disarm - input To Viper 10/5,Purple / YELLOW,Left Sliding Door - Input: 10/6,PURPLE / Black,2 Possible Applications: 10/7 10/8,BLACK/ White,Starter + input: To Starter relay, car side, pin 30 10/9,Green,E-Brake Status - Output: To Viper 10/10,PURPLE / White,Tach (AC) - Output: To Viper 6/1: 6/2,Grey/White,Brake + Output: To Viper 6/3: 6/4: 6/5: 6/6: 7/1,Pink,Ignition + input: To TSX Immobilizer , pin 2,,Ignition + 7/2: 7/3: 7/4: 7/5,ORANGE / Black,Key data: To TSX Immobilizer , pin 6,Green,Immobilizer Data 7/6,BROWN / Yellow,CanL: To TSX Immobilizer , pin 3,Dark Blue,CAN low 7/7,BROWN / Red,CanH: To TSX Immobilizer , pin 4,Pink,CAN high 3/1,Yellow,Hood Status - Output: To Viper 3/2,Yellow/Red,Trunk Status - Output: 3/2,Yellow/Black,Door Status - Output: To Viper 3/1,White,Ground -: To Ground 3/2: 3/3,WHITE/ Black,Output -: iDataLink mentions connecting to drivers door pin to turn off headlamp, why? How does it work? Clutch Relay 85 - Negative: To Viper H2/18,VIOLET / YELLOW,(-) 200mA STARTER OUTPUT 86 - Positive: 12V 30 - Common: Clutch switch 87A - NC: 87 - NO: Clutch switch Assuming NO switch Starter Relay 85 - Negative: To Viper H1/6,ORANGE,500 mA GROUND WHEN ARMED OUTPUT 86 - Positive: To Viper H3/1,PINK,(+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT 30 - Common: Car side starter wire 87A - NC: Key side starter wire 87 - NO: Rear Defrost Relay 85 - Negative: To Viper H2/3,BLUE/WHITE,(-) 200mA 2ND STATUS /REAR DEFOGGER OUTPUT 86 - Positive: 12V 30 - Common: Defrost button 87A - NC: 87 - NO: Defrost button Trunk Relay 85 - Negative: To Viper H2/5,RED / WHITE,(-) 200mA TRUNK RELEASE OUTPUT 86 - Positive: 12V 30 - Common: Ground: Assuming the wire needs ground, will test 87A - NC: 87 - NO: To TSX Drivers fuse box, 20 pin plug, pin 3,Lt Green,Trunk       I'm also confused about this option in the Viper. It is referring to wire H2/9 but then it is referring to the rear defogger which is H2/3. I would like some guidance on using H2/9, H2/3 and the GWR input on the iDataLink. The iDataLink needs ground when running before the ignition. 11. Status 2 Output (Dark Blue H2/9 wire) 1. Status: the output will activate before the ignition outputs turn on, and de-activate after they turn off during remote start 2. Latch rear defogger: the output activates 10 seconds after start if the interior temperature is below 55F. It turns off after 10 minutes or upon remote start off 3. Pulse rear defogger: the output activates (for 800mS) 10 seconds after start if the interior temperature is below 55F.

Wow!  Very good job.    You did your home work on this.

IGNITION SWITCH, (WHITE, 5-Pin Plug) Pin 2, 12V Constant, 50 amp:

Inline 50 amp fuse then use for all 12V Can I use this for all 12V in the install?    Yes

IGNITION SWITCH, (WHITE, 5-Pin Plug) Pin 4, RED (+), ACCESSORY /HEATER BLOWER 2:

To viper with flex relay      ***Set Viper Flex Relay to ACC2   Menu 3, Item 8, Option 2

HEADLIGHT SWITCH, (BLACK/ WHITE, 12-Pin Plug) Pin 11, GRAY (-), PARKING LIGHTS ( - ):

To viper    ***Set Viper Jumper/Fuse to (-)

Drives fuse box, 20 pin Lt Green Plug plug, Pink wire @ pin 3, , Trunk:

To Trunk relay, 30          Don't think you will need a relay.

H1/6,ORANGE,500 mA GROUND WHEN ARMED OUTPUT:

Starter relay 85    Also see Viper programming Menu 3, Item 13 for Anit-Grind

H2/3,BLUE/WHITE,(-) 200mA 2ND STATUS /REAR DEFOGGER OUTPUT:

To defog relay, pin 85 Does this latch or pulse?   See Viper Menu 3. Item 11, Option 2

Rear Defrost  BROWN / WHITE (-) LATCHED  DRIVER FUSE BOX, GREEN 33 PIN CONNECTOR, PIN #6

H2/6,GREEN,(-) DOOR INPUT*:

To iDataLink 3/2,Yellow/Black, Door Status - Output Is iDataLink NC or NO?    N.O. - just like normal door triggers

H2/9,DARK BLUE,(-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT:

To iDataLink 4/1,Blue/White, GWR - input Does this ground before ignition?    Yes

What is menu 3/11 saying?   Menu 3, Item 11 is for H2/3

H2/17,GRAY,(-) HOOD PIN INPUT (NC OR NO:

To iDataLink,3/1,Yellow,Hood Status - Output Should this be NC or NO for iDataLink?   N.O. - just like normal door triggers 

Signal present only if vehicle has factory hood pin.

H2/23,VIOLET/WHITE,TACHOMETER INPUT:

To iDataLink 10/10,PURPLE / White, Tach (AC) - Output:    Yes.  Manual Trans must run in Tach Mode

H2/24,GREEN / WHITE,(-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM ARM OUTPUT:

To iDataLink 10/1,GREEN/ Black, Lock/Arm - input Not confident I need to do this    Correct, not needed.

iDataLink (counterclockwise, top left corner)

4/1,Blue/White,GWR - input: To Viper, H2/9, Status Output The Viper has the coIs this right? The iDataLink needs ground before ignition    The Viper has the correct timing.

Bonus info for Clutch bypass :

Clutch Pedal  RED / GREEN (-) N.O.  CLUTCH SWITCH - YELLOW 2 PIN CONNECTOR PIN #1If this is a thin wire, you might get away with just running the Vipers (-) 200mA Starter Output wire

directly to this RED / Green wire, no relay needed.

As always use a DMM to test and verify each and every wire.

Verify that the ADS AL CA is flashed with the DL HA3 firmware.  You won't get much help from either

iDatalink or Viper as a DIYer but it looks like you have a good understanding of all that is involved.

Proper planning pays big dividends....  

Soldering is fun!

kreg357 wrote: H1/6,ORANGE,500 mA GROUND WHEN ARMED OUTPUT: Starter relay 85    Also see Viper programming Menu 3, Item 13 for Anit-Grind

Thanks for looking it over, I feel much more confident about the install now and am going to start purchasing equipment soon. I am really confused how the anti grind works. I understand on the 5704 with the starter kill because you are cutting the starter wire and using an internal NC relay. How does the the anti grind interupt the starter circuit? When I originally did this I was looking at the iDataLink Multi line because it is what came up first on their search. Does it offer any benefits over the Solo line, ADS-DLSL CA2? Both seem to need the same firmware of DL-HA3. If I buy a Solo ADS-DLSL CA2 does it always come with the proper firmware or do I need to makesure it is correct? You mentioned that I could likely run the trunk and clutch without a relay. I'm nervous just giving it a shot because I don't want to fry the Viper. Is this a valid concern? Could I run the defogger without a relay too? Any suggestions on gauge of wire? I am concerned with the common 12V and ground. Normally I would just match whatever I am connecting to but I want to have everything purchased before I pull anything open.

Starter Kill and Anti-Grind both work on the same vehicle wire.  Starter Kill prevents the

engine from cranking when the alarm system is armed.  Anti-Grind prevents the enginefrom cranking when the remote starter is ON ( the engine is already running ).

As for the iDatalink bypass module, it is an excellent choice.  However, the difficult part

is obtaining one that has been flashed ( loaded ) with the correct / desired firmware.  Thereare on-line sellers that will do this for you on request ( and sometimes for an additionalcharge ).   Try to get the multi ADS AL CA flashed with the DL HA3 firmware rather than the Solo module ( same thing but more available / logical ).

Using relays for the trunk, clutch bypass, etc, will not hurt anything.  It would be extra work

and perhaps over-kill but definitely a viable option.

The Vipers' ground wire is adequate.  The White +12V constant wire at the ignition switch

harness is rated at 50A and should be fine for the demands of the 4704 and ADS AL CA.  Youcan always run a direct line to the battery but that is a long run that breaches the firewall andincludes additional risks.

Soldering is fun!

So if I just turn on the anti grind feature it will work how I plan on wiring it up? On the relays, I mean if I wire up the clutch directly to the viper without a relay and it turns out I should have used a relay would that hurt anything? If I can wire the defogger, clutch and trunk without a relay and I don't need one for the starter that would be nice.

For the negative start output from the viper to the cars clutch wire, you will need to put a diode inline to protect the viper.  the rear defrost signal in the vehicle is negative so that usually means it's just switching the factory relay that's in the fusebox, so basicaly you're relaying a relay.   Like Kreg say it doesn't hurt anything but it's just a little extra work.Advanced

I should wire the diode stripe towards the Viper inline right? I'm going to wire the clutch, defogger and trunk direct to the Viper. Should I wire a diode with the trunk, defogger or any of the other connections?

dasbogie wrote: For the negative start output from the viper to the cars clutch wire, you will need to put a diode inline to protect the viper.  the rear defrost signal in the vehicle is negative so that usually means it's just switching the factory relay that's in the fusebox, so basicaly you're relaying a relay.   Like Kreg say it doesn't hurt anything but it's just a little extra work.

I cut the Viper's H2/18 wire and soldered a diode inline with the stripe facing the Viper. Before I install it this weekend is this right? Also any word on if I should do the same on the defogger, trunk, horn or parking lights?

I have all the wires hooked up and triple checked. I am getting a flashing light on the idatalink but the LED on the antenna for the Viper isn't flashing. This leads me to believe the Viper isn't running. I have checked the voltage at the 6 pin main harness connector and it is getting 12 volts like it should be. Anyone have any ideas for things to try or how to test the Viper unit at all? I'm hoping I didn't get one dead on arrival. I'm guessing it will be a pain to get resolved if so.

A few thoughts : Triple check your chassis ground wire connection. It should have a soldered-on terminal ring and be securely fastened to a clean, solid frame ground. Triple check that the antenna harness is completely seated at both ends. The antenna light blinks ( blue LEDs ) when the Viper is Locked. I believe that the newer Viper systems come with the remotes already paired so with everything connected, a Lock button depress should make the Viper's brain click and the Parking Lights flash once. Does that happen? If not, you could try pairing the remotes to the Viper. Did you set the idatalink modules Install Mode ( Standard - 2 blinks ) and lock it in prior to performing the actual bypass module to vehicle programming?   Did it program / respond properly? Being as the iDatalink module works hand in hand with the Viper and supplies many signals and performs several functions, if it is not programmed it will cause problems that could appear like a Viper issue. With a manual transmission vehicle, there are several things that must be done prior to attempting a remote start. The Viper must be in Tach Mode and Tach Learned.   The Door Trigger Input, Brake Input and NSS to Input to ADS AL CA Emergency Brake Output must be connected and working. Does anything happen when you try setting Reservation Mode?Soldering is fun!