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2004 Saturn Vue, DEI 554R


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gtchida 
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Posted: August 09, 2004 at 1:17 AM / IP Logged  
My bad auex, thanks.
sroth140 
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Posted: August 09, 2004 at 1:29 AM / IP Logged  

hahah :o

its best to grab a tach.  if the car doesnt start sometime, it helps a lot of trouble shooting go faster.

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Posted: August 09, 2004 at 2:00 AM / IP Logged  
No problem man, just trying to clear up and clarify before a hundred questions come in.
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Kev. 
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Posted: August 09, 2004 at 8:11 AM / IP Logged  
auex wrote:
gtchida wrote:

The green and blue lock/unlock wires each send a (-) and (+) signal so you have probably sent a negative pulse to the + wire of the BCM and either blown a fuse or damaged the BCM. What the lock doument doesn't tell you is that you must have a relay (it is mentioned in the install manual).

Don't work with DEI much, huh? There is no problem with the switching lock wires on any vehicle that I know of. Also if you are tagging the wires between the switch and relay/bcm then you don't need relays on this vehicle.

I was taggging the lock/unlock ~ 6" from the BCM where I mounted the "brain" of the 554R. With this in mind...I probably have cooked the BCM since there was no fuse to intercept the short. Man this really sucks. I'll go through all of the fuses both under the hood and in the car. What kills me is the car is brand new and I might have just waisted ~$500+ on a BCM just to save a hundred or so on an alarm install. If so my wife is going to kill me! Wish me luck...

Kev.
Kev. 
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Posted: August 09, 2004 at 8:34 AM / IP Logged  
Just checked every fuse I could find and they are all okay. I'll pull the BCM later and see if I can find anything. I wonder how much of my warranty I am going to void by removing/opening my BCM? Hopfully I can find and fix the problem, that way I wont have to take it to the dealer...and my wife won't find out!
Kev.
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Posted: August 09, 2004 at 10:10 AM / IP Logged  
I did program menu 3-2 Checking Type Tach/Voltage the 554R for voltage.I also set the Voltage Check Hi/Low (menu 3-6) to low. The car starts and imediatly shuts down, then severalk seconds later tries again. Any ideas on what I have to change? Should the Voltage Check Hi/Low be set for high?
Kev.
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Posted: August 09, 2004 at 10:58 AM / IP Logged  

  WOOHOO... I drove down the road so no one from my work would see me messing with my car. I was looking at the BCM to see how it comes out and low and behold, after finding the correct wires to tap into for the alarm connection, I never plugged the connector back into the BCM! Right now I feel both INCREDIBLY STUPID and relieved at the same time! I unplugged ("t-tap") the wires coming from the alarm into the BCM because there was a mention of needing external relays.

 Since I am afraid of frying the BCM for real, I am not going to re-plug the lock/unlock wires from the 554R until I get a definite answer as to if I need external relays or not. So my question now is...do I need external relays or do I plug right into the BCM harness like "Document 1041" says. The manual says these leads are to power relays only, and Document 1041 says to hook up the leads between the BCM and the factory relays. Are the relays the install manual is referring to the factory relays? Or do I need external relays?

Kev.
Kev. 
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Posted: August 09, 2004 at 11:09 AM / IP Logged  

 I went out and increased the start time to 1 full second. The car still doesn't stay on and it now seems like it cranks to long. I will go back and reset the time to .6 seconds.

 I then put the voltage threshold back to high and that had noe effect on anything exept now the car doesnot attempt to restart.

 Lastly I checked the diagnostics and the flashed code read "transmitter shutdown (or optional push-button)". I did not install the optional pushbutton because I felt there was no need for it. I did however touch the wire (WHITE/ blue) to ground to see if it works. The car did exactly as the remote did, start and then die. Do you think the 555L is not working properly? As previously advised, I did not connect the factory arm and dis-arm wires from the 554R because it is all handled from the factory remote and there is no wires to connect to.

Kev.
Kev. 
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Posted: August 09, 2004 at 12:10 PM / IP Logged  
As I was cleaning up my install, I noticed the alarm kept arming on me after ~30 seconds. The dome light was on so the alarm should have recognized that. I didn't think the alarm was supposed to self arm until the last door was closed. What should check?
Kev.
Kev. 
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Posted: August 09, 2004 at 7:32 PM / IP Logged  
You don't think 30 vac from these wires is to much? I don't want to fry the alarm.
If it's possible to get to the wire going to the tachometer, could I use it for the alarm?
Kev.
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